re: Civil War Confederate veteran interview

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You want to make a moral claim about the South without a discussion of what their grievance in particular was.

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I said the peace commission speaks for itself in that its goal was peace, I take your “sure” to be an agreement. So unless shown otherwise, I maintain it’s the case that the South was open and up front while the North was saying one thing and implementing another.

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Paying isn't good enough to give up a strategic position that could control shipping in and out of Charleston.

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That’s right to control the commerce of a foreign state. SC could do without the union, the union needed SC though.

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And I'm saying that in geopolitics, the relationships aren't equal. We can deduce several things from the South's actions too. It doesn't necessarily lead to a situation where the South's grievances are justified.

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I’m just not sure what you’re objecting to as far as my points here or what claim you’re making exactly. I think the South was justified, I’m not sure what you’ve presented to the contrary. Remember our exchange started when I pointed out some points you were missing regarding the Sumter battle.

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Either you are a kid or naive as frick. Might always makes right in geopolitics. There has never been any other way in human relations. Morality either applies to all actors evenly or it goes out the window with respect to geopolitics. If you want to make moral claims, thankfully the South lost thoroughly on those grounds too.

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I’ve read this a couple times, are you saying might makes right or not?

To keep us on track though, I don’t see where you’ve objected to the following points:

The South was negotiating for peace. (You took this at face value you said)
The North was negotiating not in good faith bc they were preparing for and provoking war as negotiations were going on. (You didn’t object to my revisions and analyses on the events of Sumter)
The South thought they would benefit out of the union and the North thought they would benefit by keeping them against their will, as you pointed out the North wanted to maintain control of the South’s commerce. (Controlling commerce in SC, praxeology of one party wanting to leave and another forcing them to stay)
This is why I maintain that the battle at Sumter was justified for the South in its defense.