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completely wrong. lsu is not "ahead" of ttech, vandy, ucla, uva, ucla, osu, tcu, ark, unc, fsu. now, msu stands to equal lsu's cws results over the last 10 seasons

Let’s gets this out of the way right now. Is your criteria for better overall programs ,CWS appearances? Championships? Or win/loss records in the CWS. You can’t group them all together to fit your argument. Those programs are not all created equal in terms of success in that regard do you understand that?. UCLA? Tech? TCU? Arky? Are you fricking kidding me? They have all had more disappointing underachieving seasons than LSU but yet you fail to mention any of them.

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factually wrong

No it’s not

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i just listed them

Those aren’t on the top ten list. You basically have a couple of schools ahead of LSU in terms of championships if you want to use that criteria ahead of LSU on that list but none of the other teams spending millions in the top ten besides UF have accomplished more so your point is being completely turned around on you. You can post CWS records all you want. I’ve told you before and I’ll tell you again, yes making the CWS is a great accomplishment but whether you go 2 & que or win 2 and then get bounced it’s fricking meaningless if your not playing for the title. How can you not understand that? I’ll give you an example. Fla St has been to the CWS 17 times and never won a title. They have more CWS wins than LSU,OSU,UVA,USC etc. Does that mean they have had more success than those teams. frick no. Hasn’t LSU and UT been overall better programs with 6 titles then FLA st? Or do you consider CWS wins the benchmark? You can’t pick and choose your argument to fit your narrative.

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notice that's not one of the teams on the list

Yes they are. Did you not read your 2nd link? South Carolina is on there and they are a damn dumpster fire.

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fsu has as many cws appearances over the last 9 seasons. this season, they will surpass lsu's appearances during that time span and if they win even 1 game, will equal lsu's win total. you are completely misinformed on this matter

So now your determining success factor is CWS appearances lol? Then the other teams you listed above can’t touch LSU in PM’s tenure. See what your doing, you keep moving the goal post and now your defending the most underachieving program in college baseball. fricking unreal. Just stop dude

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lsu spends WAY more than fsu. fsu is getting a better roi

The fact that you think going to the CWS 17 times in 40 years and coming home with zero titles is something to brag about is laughable. They are the laughing stock of the college baseball world when it comes to winning a title but keep creating a false narrative that they somehow are a better program then other teams with multiple titles and less cws wins.

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think about what you just said

Do you know what ROI means vs overall success? There’s a big difference

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like i haven't answered this a million times over the last few years

Tell me again. I want to compare the teams closest to LSU in terms of spending because I can guarantee you the results won’t be what you think.

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Posted on 6/12/19 at 11:06 pm to Howyouluhdat

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Is your criteria for better overall programs

i haven't gotten into that terminology no matter how badly people misrepresent my posts. i have said that those programs have surpassed lsu's cws results over the last several seasons. that is a fact. some people are ok with it and make excuses. some people are not.

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You can’t group them all together to fit your argument

it's not "my argument." i am stating facts, i.e. win/loss records at the cws, cws appearances and championships.

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Those programs are not all created equal in terms of success in that regard

what does this even mean?

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UCLA? Tech? TCU? Arky? Are you fricking kidding me? They have all had more disappointing underachieving seasons than LSU but yet you fail to mention any of them.

i am posting the fact that those programs i listed have at least as many cws appearances as lsu, at least as many cws wins, at least as many championships yet, have a lesser investment in the sport. in some cases significantly less. you seem to be unaware of the list i have been posting for the last few years.

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No it’s not

so you're arguing with facts? are you stupid or do you just not know the facts? lsu has not surpassed those teams in cws results over the last several seasons. that is not an opinion. you are wrong.

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Those aren’t on the top ten list

i am looking at roi. the programs i listed have a lesser investment yet, are at least equal to lsu's cws results over the last several years. again, those are facts.

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none of the other teams spending millions in the top ten besides UF have accomplished more

again, factually wrong

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whether you go 2 & que or win 2 and then get bounced it’s fricking meaningless if your not playing for the title

so you can't be reasoned with. that's all you had to say. your statement is completely stupid. so bball teams that make the final four is meaningless because they didn't play for the nc. my word. everyone is "playing for the title" once the regionals start.

again, i'm not trying to lock down a floor for lsu out of context. i am comparing resumes. other programs have a better resume over a long period of time.

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Does that mean they have had more success than those teams. frick no

it means they've been more consistently successful which isn't helping your case at all.

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Hasn’t LSU and UT been overall better programs with 6 titles then FLA st?

you're missing the point. fsu is just ONE program that has invested less than lsu but has equaled lsu's cws results over the last several seasons.

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You can’t pick and choose your argument to fit your narrative

i'm posting brute facts which means i don't have a "narrative."

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Yes they are. Did you not read your 2nd link? South Carolina is on there and they are a damn dumpster fire

they are not on the list i have posted of programs who have been more successful.

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So now your determining success factor is CWS appearances

one of them, yes. absolutely. who would NOT consider that a benchmark?

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you keep moving the goal post

i haven't done that one time. i have posted the exact same list for years now. it hasn't changed at all. pm defenders go ballistic over it because they think it's somehow unfair. it's just facts.