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re: Ranking all the Star Wars films--what say you?

Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:57 am to
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 5/29/18 at 10:57 am to
I'm going to go ahead and get this rant out of my system and then quit talking about Star Wars on this board for a while.

I love Star Wars, and watching it destroyed by godawful film making and writing is unbearable. And then watching the excuses and nonsense about why it isn't so bad is even worse.

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The rebellion is completely crushed even more thoroughly than it was in Empire


Yeah the problem is that in empire, we cared about the rebellion. We cared about their characters and we got to see them fight and grow and you wanted to see Luke come back in the next one. You wanted to see Han get rescued. You wanted to see Vader get his due. You wanted to see the resistance come back. And you were eager to find out just how they'd do it.

In the original trilogy, we watched Luke go from a little farm kid to a Jedi. We saw him train and learn under two masters. We watched Han go from a Rogue smuggler to a resistance fighter. From an uncaring a-hole to a good friend. We saw the Rebels fitting guerrilla style and winning battles here and there until they started turning the tide of the war.

We saw a trilogy where the characters had depth and meaning. Where the story actually meant something.

There's a reason that 41 years later people are still in love with that original trilogy. That's not something that happens everyday and it's not something that's easy to re-create.

If the movie after Empire was about Vader crushing the resistance completely and killing Luke and Han and Leia and Chewy and eveyone else, there would've been backlash. People would've been upset that these characters we watched develop and grow on screen didn't triumph in the end. And that's because Star Wars and Empire are both extremely well made movies with solid characters and developed story arcs.

People still to this day are fans of even random little characters in those movies like the xwing pilots. There's nothing like that in this new trilogy. Nothing.

Has anyone ever made an argument that you care for anyone in the new movie resistance team? I sure as frick don't. And most people I know feel the same way.

Rey is a little Mary Sue who has never failed at anything and never grown or developed as a character. She started the beginning of TFA as an all powerful Jedi master level good hearted hero and had never once grown or faltered from that. It's boring and insulting considering what every single other Jedi character in the universe had to go through.

Finn actually started to grow as a character but then didn't because some stupid bitch stopped him by ramming his ship and ruining his arc and sacrifice and delivered possibly the worst line of dialogue I have ever heard in a movie.

Leia is apparently some kind of immortal God who is either too stupid or too lazy to hone her force skills which makes her unlikable. Oh, also, Carrie Fischer is dead and they've already said 100 times she integral to the next movie so I can't wait to watch her hologramed or recast.

Poe is the only one who is somewhat likeable but his character is so often attacked and shite on by eveyone else in the movie it makes you hate seeing him on screen.

So that's how TLJ ends. A cast of unlikable and undeveloped characters sitting in a cave and sending out an unanswered distress signal because not even the people inside the movie give a shite about them.

At the end of Empire, I was on the edge of my seat waiting to see what would happen.

At the end of The Last Jedi, I forgot this was a trilogy and when I remembered that I couldn't care less about seeing the third movie.

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Kylo's argument to kill the past is compelling... and probably correct.


Kylo is the only character in either of the new movies worth caring about. Adam Driver knocked that role out of the park.

He's unique in this series. He actually has depth and growth and a character arc. I hope the next movie is him brutally slaughtering Rose, Finn, Rey, and Leia and then making Poe his main general as they go off to just wreck shite throughout the galaxy and rule the First Order with an iron fist.

Rian Johnson and Kathleen Kennedy thunderously answered one question in the affirmative: Could it get worse than the prequels? Yes. It absolutely could.
This post was edited on 5/29/18 at 11:31 am
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