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re: Anyone Else Purchasing a Robert E. Lee Concrete Statue

Posted on 4/24/18 at 6:53 am to
Posted by Ace Midnight
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 6:53 am to
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Seems like you have no factual proof Lee didn't actually own slaves


So, I have to prove a negative, now, counselor? Since when is the affirmative burden of proof on the person asserting "there is no factual basis for an assertion that Robert E. Lee personally owned slaves"?

Hell, it's tough to argue his wife owned slaves because the Parke Custis slaves were dower and on the path to manumission once GW "Wash" Parke Custis died - now, as I said, at a certain point I will concede that it is a fairly fine distinction and Lee, for all practical purposes was the slave "master" for the Parke Custis slaves under his charge from October 1857 to December 29th, 1862, but did not have legal title, could not have sold them or otherwise interfered with their manumission any longer than he did. By strict interpretation of Wash's will, Lee acted legally and, generally, morally by the standards at the time.

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he felt blacks were inferior


This was, by far, the prevailing sentiment in the United States, North, South, East and West - even many abolitionists took a parochial, white supremacy approach to the issue, although with humanitarian leanings. Saint Abraham would be considered a rabid white supremacist by today's standards.

And, I in no way mean to suggest that Lee was an abolitionist - just like many in Virginia had a very complicated view of the institution. Wash himself was an active member in the ACS - this was not popular among black slaves in the South, many of them chose to remain slaves in the South instead of relocating to Liberia as free men.

So, again - a very, very complicated issue. Not simplistic and easy to digest as many would prefer.
This post was edited on 4/24/18 at 6:54 am
Posted by TH03
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 7:14 am to
One more outburst like that and I'll hold you in contempt, counselor.
Posted by Sheep
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Posted on 4/24/18 at 8:10 am to
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So, I have to prove a negative, now, counselor? Since when is the affirmative burden of proof on the person asserting "there is no factual basis for an assertion that Robert E. Lee personally owned slaves"? 

Hell, it's tough to argue his wife owned slaves because the Parke Custis slaves were dower and on the path to manumission once GW "Wash" Parke Custis died - now, as I said, at a certain point I.... 


This post is much more entertaining if you read it in Foghorn Leghorn's voice.
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