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re: IYO, who had the greatest peak in sports history?
Posted on 3/1/17 at 5:57 am to lsutigers1992
Posted on 3/1/17 at 5:57 am to lsutigers1992
who cares, pedro did it during the steroid ERA and Koufax did it in an ERA where guys did pushups for their weightlifting programs. Pedro did it with a short home run fence at fenway to left and right field + he had to face a DH nightly(koufax didn't) + he faced a league where 37 guys hit over 33 home runs in 2000 while koufax pitched at a time when 11 guys hit over 33 bombs in his final season.
It's like all the purists who think bill russell or bob cousy would be just as dominant today. Sure Russell has 11 rings, but didn't the NBA have like 8 teams or something back then? Bob Cousy would get utterly destroyed by even a guy like shaun livingston, a backup pg today. You can't compare guys from 50 years ago bc they're nowhere near the athletes we see today. Pedro did it all at literally the height of baseball when most players were cheating and did it with a small frame. I'm not overlooking koufax completely but Pedro was ridiculous, I don't think you remember him.
It's like all the purists who think bill russell or bob cousy would be just as dominant today. Sure Russell has 11 rings, but didn't the NBA have like 8 teams or something back then? Bob Cousy would get utterly destroyed by even a guy like shaun livingston, a backup pg today. You can't compare guys from 50 years ago bc they're nowhere near the athletes we see today. Pedro did it all at literally the height of baseball when most players were cheating and did it with a small frame. I'm not overlooking koufax completely but Pedro was ridiculous, I don't think you remember him.
Posted on 3/1/17 at 7:26 am to dabigfella
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I'm not overlooking koufax completely but Pedro was ridiculous, I don't think you remember him.
I remember Pedro. Pedro was close.
Almost everybody on here is talking about people they saw and are clearly influenced by the "instant history," "best performance ever," list-making mentality they see on television. Like everybody who dick-rides Mike Trout and Bryce Harper right now. Like I said before, when Jimmie Foxx and Lou Gehrig were their age, they were already having 150 RBI seasons. Trout and Harper are getting 2/3 of that in a good year.
And the "fewer teams"/PED era argument can go both ways. It's a legit concern when discussing Bill Russell and his championships. However, pretty much everybody Koufax faced was a legit major leaguer. He also faced guys like Hank Aaron, Frank Robinson, Ernie Banks, Willie Mays, and Roberto Clemente day-in, day-out. Pedro's Red Sox would get a ton of division games against the Devil Rays, who were a glorified AAA team at the time. The Orioles were basically a dumpster fire during Pedro's peak too. And teams like the Royals took bad to a whole new level. 2/3 of those guys wouldn't have sniffed a 1965 MLB roster, at least.
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