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re: Confederate Flag vs. US Flag

Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:56 am to
Posted by Breesus
House of the Rising Sun
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/20/16 at 12:56 am to
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Giving you shite for your South Park awfulness



I'm not awful. South Park's writing and direction the last two seasons was.

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slavery wouldn't have been threatened, the war wouldn't have happened.


If you honestly believe the federal government wasn't salivating at the thought of consolidating power you're crazy.

They didn't start the major push about slavery and abolition and all of that until half way through the way when the support for the war was waining in the north and the South had the upper hand. They needed a cause to rally the troops and the people, they found it and stuck to it.

Sure, slavery and abolition played a part in the war, but states rights and federal power were the core reason for the war and the absolute most important outcomes for the winning side.

If equality and an end to slavery and humanitarian justice for all was the true reason for the war do you think the north would've allowed everything that happened between 1865 and 1965? They couldn't give two shits. Look at the actual history of what happened in the south following the war and what the north did about it.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
85470 posts
Posted on 5/20/16 at 1:07 am to
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If equality and an end to slavery and humanitarian justice for all was the true reason for the war do you think the north would've allowed everything that happened between 1865 and 1965? They couldn't give two shits. Look at the actual history of what happened in the south following the war and what the north did about it.


I don't disagree with any of this. I've never insinuated that the Civil War was fought because the North was some altruistic power that wanted to free slaves and equality for all. My point has always been that slavery was the root cause of the South wanting to bail, and everything basically fell in line after that. They thought the Union was coming for their slaves and their way of life, and they weren't going to sit around and wait for it to happen.

We can discuss states' rights and nationalism and all kinds of other subplots, but they all revolve around the South's inability to let slavery go.

When I say the Civil War was about slavery, I don't mean that it was the pro-slavery side against the anti-slavery side, at least not to start as you pointed out. However, the South was always pro-slavery and every reason they had for secession revolved around slavery.
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