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re: How were German armored divisions so much more elite than their US counterparts
Posted on 10/25/14 at 11:41 am to Ace Midnight
Posted on 10/25/14 at 11:41 am to Ace Midnight
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I used to believe that, too.
Funny thing is I used to believe what you believe. With Afika Corps the Nazi's cut off the oil fields of Azerbaijan from the Soviets and prevent Soviet breakthroughs around Stalingrad, starving them of vast supplies of oil. Without the oil the Soviet T-34 is useless. Accomplishing this objective would have also allowed the Nazi's to use less resources in developing synthetic oil.
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Posted on 10/25/14 at 11:51 am to tbrig3211
The total (or near) lack of support by the West would have doomed the Soviets. I do not question that.
Would not opening the "Second Front" (France, via Overlord or an alternate like Calais, or what have you) have affected the outcome? Not in the least.
Had the West not done a lot of things they did, would it have altered the Nazis' logistics posture and prolonged their ability to stay in the fight? Absolutely. It might have doubled the Soviet's casualties, too.
But, the Red Army was coming for blood, period. After Stalingrad - the Germans simply didn't have the men. The guys and equipment they had were top shelf - which made the losses all the more crippling to them. Russians didn't have very many elite units - at least until late '44. They were mix and match - but they had 400+ divisions, so, you pick your poison - get overwhelmed from the front, left or right.
A simple mathematical equation is probably too simplistic. However, the math is unavoidable in this case.
Would not opening the "Second Front" (France, via Overlord or an alternate like Calais, or what have you) have affected the outcome? Not in the least.
Had the West not done a lot of things they did, would it have altered the Nazis' logistics posture and prolonged their ability to stay in the fight? Absolutely. It might have doubled the Soviet's casualties, too.
But, the Red Army was coming for blood, period. After Stalingrad - the Germans simply didn't have the men. The guys and equipment they had were top shelf - which made the losses all the more crippling to them. Russians didn't have very many elite units - at least until late '44. They were mix and match - but they had 400+ divisions, so, you pick your poison - get overwhelmed from the front, left or right.
A simple mathematical equation is probably too simplistic. However, the math is unavoidable in this case.
This post was edited on 10/25/14 at 11:53 am
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