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re: T/F: Feminists are, by and large, joyless and bitter and...

Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:40 pm to
Posted by Iosh
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:40 pm to
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If a group (us) has a common definition of "feminist" - well that's exactly what vernacular is.
I've not seen one offered and this thread is inconsistent as hell. For instance, you said "most feminism up to and including The Feminist Mystique [sic] (60s-70s)" which is not very useful in that two decades is not a particularly useful demarcation, there was stuff being produced even then which was "social and anthropological," and the stuff on either side is hardly a unified voice, there are feminists on either side I can think of that you would likely want to push back and forth. I'm especially unsure why you would want to include The Feminine Mystique in your personal canon since it's like the ur-text in pushing the boundaries of feminism beyond simple legal equality (there's an entire chapter devoted to how 1950s-style consumerism reinforces the patriarchy, for instance).
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 2:42 pm
Posted by genro
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Posted on 9/14/14 at 2:50 pm to
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I've not seen one offered and this thread is inconsistent as hell.
There doesn't need to be one offered, and all words are highly dynamic. Human activity is also highly dynamic, labels applied there will necessarily be even more so. The same phenomenon would occur in a thread about liberals, conservatives, Louisianans, Latinos, fat people, and Zoroastrians. That's the magic of linguistics. If "feminist" has no single unified set of connotations, and its meaning is varied by situation or context or personal epistemology, that only makes it like every other word.
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For instance, you said "most feminism up to and including The Feminist Mystique [sic] (60s-70s)" which is not very useful in that it uses the word in its own definition, two decades is not a particularly useful demarcation, there was stuff being produced even then which was "social and anthropological,"
Without question.
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and the stuff on either side is hardly a unified voice, there are feminists on either side I can think of that you would likely want to push back and forth. I'm especially unsure why you would want to include The Feminine Mystique in your definition since it's like the ur-text in pushing the boundaries of feminism beyond simple legal equality (there's an entire chapter devoted to how 1950s-style consumerism reinforces the patriarchy, for instance).
Good thing I used the word "most."
This post was edited on 9/14/14 at 2:52 pm
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