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The thing that made Nola great last night was that he kept the ball down in the zone and could throw across the plate whenever he wanted. Nola has a lot more control control than gray

I agree. Nola has more command. They both have great control as they both have very low walk totals.

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Gray is great pitcher but he relies on his speed to much. He needs better command of his fastball and slider and if he has a change up needs to use it more often

I felt he could've thrown his fastball more last night. He was getting our hitters frozen more on the sliders and offspeed than fastballs. He had great command of his slider. His fastball could've used more command, but his fastball has incredible movement for the speed it is.

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he will be playing as a closer in the pros.

You are literally the only person who thinks that. You act as if Gray is one of those fireballers with no command. THat is bullshite. Just look at his numbers and look at how he didn't walk very many of us. 30 out of 30 mlb teams would pick Gray over Nola. THat is indisputable.

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Also if you wanted to compare Nola's performance, think of Greg Maddox. He was great bc he was one of the most accurate pitchers in the game not one of the fastest.

Nola doesn't have the swing and miss stuff that Maddux had. Sure, Maddux pitched to contact, but when he needed a K, he got one. Nola doesn't have the swing and miss breaking pitches or movement that Maddux had. invalid comparison. A better comparison for Nola would be Ian Kennedy.

This is not to say that Nola won't be better than Gray at the next level (especially since Gray was picked by the Rox), but as of now Gray has the MUCH higher ceiling than Nola has. That is indisputable.

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Posted by jeff5891

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Posted on 6/8/13 at 11:16 am to Moustache

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Nola doesn't have the swing and miss stuff that Maddux had.

i was comparing the accuracy of the two pitchers not about swing and miss stuff.

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Nola doesn't have the swing and miss breaking pitches or movement that Maddux had. invalid comparison. A better comparison for Nola would be Ian Kennedy.

agree to disagree. to say nola didnt have the hit or miss stuff last night like maddox i dont agree with. I was comparing how he pitched one game to how greg maddox pitches. Nola's game last night was the best i have seen from him. The dude was on.

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You act as if Gray is one of those fireballers with no command

no i don't. Saying he needs to get better with accuracy does not mean i'm saying he throws without command. that's a faulty conclusion.

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You are literally the only person who thinks that.

Just bc i dont follow the murder doesnt mean that im going to be wrong. And For what its worth, a few baseball analysts feel the same way. And still its just an opinion.

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Just look at his numbers and look at how he didn't walk very many of us

that doesnt mean its going to translate to the pros. What I see from him right now he could easily be a lights out closer. But like i said if gets better with his accuracy and implements a good change-up that could easily change.

And i am by no means saying he pitched bad last night. He pitched phenomenal. He just went deep into some at bats and his pitch count got to high. Thats is one of the reasons Nola was able to out dual him.

this is just a discussion dont get so angry