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re: Who has a bigger impact on the game, Cliff Harris or Tyrann Mathieu?
Posted on 6/5/11 at 5:35 pm to Geaux Tahel
Posted on 6/5/11 at 5:35 pm to Geaux Tahel
I don't blame people for missing what we know about the secondary. Oregon rotated like 10 dbs regularly last year, so it's a unit full of no names in reality. Reading quotes from Coach NEAL, he believes they can do the same this year. It's hard to stand out but the stats speak for themselves. Anybody who follows the PAC will call Oregon's secondary the best. Arizona had some names last year but they didn't compete at the level they thought. Oregon in every metric that weights the number of passes defended, was hands down the best team in the conference.
A guy like eddie pleasant is going to be overlooked. This is a guy that started two years but played SAM for 3 years. Last year he was getting acclimated but got better as the season wore on. He should make a leap next year. He is one the most athletic guys on the team. He lays the lumber, can get after the qb, and will be a problem at rover for teams at 220 pounds. He has SAM backer size and runningback speed.
A guy like eddie pleasant is going to be overlooked. This is a guy that started two years but played SAM for 3 years. Last year he was getting acclimated but got better as the season wore on. He should make a leap next year. He is one the most athletic guys on the team. He lays the lumber, can get after the qb, and will be a problem at rover for teams at 220 pounds. He has SAM backer size and runningback speed.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 5:37 pm
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Posted on 6/5/11 at 5:37 pm to Mike Linebacker
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Who is LSU's punter?
LINK
averages 5 second hang times... can boot 70 yarders.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 6/5/11 at 6:15 pm to 7thWardTiger
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7thWardTiger
True Cliff's TD returns did come against weaker competition but it's difficult to take it all the way even against weak teams. I won't disagree that Cliff could end up being a non-factor (insofar as a returner at least) against your special teams because your special teams units are very good. However, to assert that he isn't a good returner at all may be the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a very long time. You have to be at least pretty good as a returner to have the vision to make those runs and talented enough to have the speed to get it done against even the bad teams. Don't you think there would be more returners with 3-5 TDs as a returner considering most teams play a few weak teams every year? Why didn't Patrick Peterson return 2 against McNeese State or UL Monroe?
Other than that one claim I understand your argument but there is no way any rational football fan can say he's not a good returner at all. Whether he may be overrated or not is a different story entirely.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 6:27 pm to goducks75
His abililty is obvious. The comment about him doing 3 against UNM and PSU is valid but whenever he touched the ball he was electric. His abililty to avoid tackles and his instinct is the best I've seen in a long time.
That being said: if their punter hangs the ball up and gunners are bearing down on him, I want the fair catch.
That being said: if their punter hangs the ball up and gunners are bearing down on him, I want the fair catch.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 6:28 pm
Posted on 6/5/11 at 6:36 pm to bisonduck
Also, Mathieu better have a good game. The nickle back spot is meant for production. If Harris is productive, it will be in an electric way with picks, punt returns and pass breakups. If those three things are happening, it doesn't bode well for LSU.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 6:37 pm
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:10 pm to Geaux Tahel
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I'll take TM, thank you.
Me too. I have never seen such a fearless, ball hawk at LSU and I've been going to games for 35 years. The kid loves the game and it shows.
He will be a terror for Oregon.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:13 pm to goducks75
quote:
True Cliff's TD returns did come against weaker competition but it's difficult to take it all the way even against weak teams. I won't disagree that Cliff could end up being a non-factor (insofar as a returner at least) against your special teams because your special teams units are very good. However, to assert that he isn't a good returner at all may be the most ridiculous thing I have heard in a very long time. You have to be at least pretty good as a returner to have the vision to make those runs and talented enough to have the speed to get it done against even the bad teams. Don't you think there would be more returners with 3-5 TDs as a returner considering most teams play a few weak teams every year? Why didn't Patrick Peterson return 2 against McNeese State or UL Monroe?
Other than that one claim I understand your argument but there is no way any rational football fan can say he's not a good returner at all. Whether he may be overrated or not is a different story entirely.
I never said he wasnt good. He's simply overated as a PR. He hit UNM for 1. They gave up 3 on the season. And ranked 118 out of 120.
2 against PSU, who finished at 2-9 on the season. I could probably put together a team of Rant posters and be competitive against those 2. Thats just how sad they are.
And lets just be honest. He had 4 handed to him. Those 3(where he out ran a bunch of slow white boys) plus the WSU or ASU one(whichever one they rugby kicked it, it was supposed to go right, but ended up on the opposite hash giving him wide open sideline with 2 blockers and one man to beat.
He is an all american because the press saw he had 5 PR tds. I doubt they looked at the actual tds and who he was playing.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:14 pm to BigEdLSU
who's cliff harris?
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:28 pm to floridatiger2
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who's cliff harris?
Depends on who you ask.
He's either...
1. one of the best CBs in the PAC1
or
2. an average CB in the SEC
or
3. Both 1 & 2
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:34 pm to BigEdLSU
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and returning punts
Is this official? Is he going to do kickoffs too?
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:52 pm to Geaux Tahel
quote:
Depends on who you ask.
He's either...
1. one of the best CBs in the PAC1
or
2. an average CB in the SEC
or
3. Both 1 & 2
I didn't know every single DB in the SEC was an All-American and projected to be picked in the first round of the NFL draft.....
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:53 pm to goducks75
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I didn't know every single DB in the SEC was an All-American and projected to be picked in the first round of the NFL draft.....
Yes. That's why the whole country except for a few Duck and Trojan fans acknowledge the SEC is the toughest conference.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 7:56 pm to Geaux Tahel
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Yes. That's why the whole country except for a few Duck and Trojan fans acknowledge the SEC is the toughest conference.
You are sounding like the one with no thick skin. Please, no DUCK fan is diminishing TM's ability. Conversely, Harris is an average SEC DB. Btw, Oregon's starting 4 in '08 is all starting in the NFL right now. Pac - 10 dbs are good. This is in no way taking away from SEC superiority. However, average SEC dbs shut down your passing attack. So, it will suffice.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:03 pm to bisonduck
Oh my god!
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:05 pm to Geaux Tahel
You should go with OMG!
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:13 pm to bisonduck
One thing is for certain: Cliff will be the better quote machine.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:18 pm to bisonduck
Really? I thought that was kind of geeky.
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:20 pm to bisonduck
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Cliff will be the better quote machine.
What do you mean? Better than LSU CBs or better than me?
Why do you say this... he a colorful character? And no, Rudy, I don't mean anything racist by that before you get all wound up.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:25 pm to Geaux Tahel
I am not at all wound up. I could care less. He is very precocious. Came to Oregon at 17 and introduced himself at his first team meeting by saying, "My name is Cliff Harris, and I am here to lock shite down." The DAILEY EMERALD covered the story as follows:
Two years ago, a lanky 17-year-old from Fresno, Calif., stood up and addressed his teammates for the first time.
The USA today covered him and his role on the team and he said the following:
He has said plenty of other things that had me in stitches but those are my two favorite. Before the civil war he said, "We the big brother." That got some people riled up.
Two years ago, a lanky 17-year-old from Fresno, Calif., stood up and addressed his teammates for the first time.
quote:
“My name is Cliff Harris, and I’m here to lock shite down,” the newest addition to the Oregon secondary said. Harris then immediately returned to his seat without uttering another word.
The USA today covered him and his role on the team and he said the following:
quote:
Speaking of nachos, Harris said earlier this season, describing his role on the Ducks, that he is “the cheese on top of the nachos.”
He has said plenty of other things that had me in stitches but those are my two favorite. Before the civil war he said, "We the big brother." That got some people riled up.
This post was edited on 6/5/11 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 6/5/11 at 8:27 pm to bisonduck
quote:
I am not all wound up.
I was talking to Rudy. He like to call anyone a racist if you don't agree 100% what he says.
Your good.
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