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re: The cold hard facts re: TCU vs LSU this year
Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:44 am to FootballNostradamus
Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:44 am to FootballNostradamus
quote:I have to agree with you(maybe not 14) but TCU is a very good football team this yr. Now year in year out they would be a middle of the pack SEC team. But this yr, if one of the top two teams slip, then TCU will be in the big game.
Seriously can some of yal not watch football and see how good this team is? Do yal not know they start 21 seniors? Their OL and DL (where championships start) are as good or better than any in the nation. They have the best defense in the nation, period. Their QB is probably the most underrated in the nation. They have a great return man and (I could argue) the best head coach in the nation.
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Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:44 am to Tigergreg
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So, LSU should schedule Tulane, ULL, LA Monroe, etc., destroy them all, and that will make us legit?
Yeah, why don't we destroy McNeese state, I mean really drop 50 or 60 on them, make them want to forfeit before the end of the game, to show everyone how great we are and what we could do with TCU/BSU's schedule.
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Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:45 am to FootballNostradamus
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TCU could succeed in any conference in the nation this year.
Same thing was said last year when they got their arse handed to them by Boise St. If TCU played in the SEC, they would have at least two losses this year already.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:51 am to FootballNostradamus
the funny thing is that this nostradamus guy is for real....he is that fricked in the head. TCU is legit because they beat Oregon State this year...a 4-4 oregon state is the best team they have played. JUST fyi dumbass, florida has more talent on their second team than any of the first teamers that tcu has played this year. Florida lost to a better bama and better lsu. Miss State was fortunate to catch them after two physical beatdowns from two top 5 teams.....state would have no chance to beat florida or georgia if they played today.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:54 am to TIGERSby10
Boise State does run a good scheme, but they don't have the atheletes to do so versus atheletic teams. The only reason they are getting credit right now is for beating an Oregon team at the beginning of last year that in no way resembles this year's Oregon's team.
TCU? Going for it on 4th down every time against SMU to try and run up the score isn't "dominating", its unsportsmanlike running up of the score.
You know the announcers on ESPN etc are full of shite when they change the argument for the BCS game from who are the two best teams in the country to, things like... "who deserves to go to the game more?" or "I think Boise state "can" beat anyone on a given day..." etc etc.... you can read through all of their rhetoric that this isn't about pitting the top two teams in the country, but some bout of equity or fairness. Rememeber, most of the country does NOT have a power house team and they want to live the fantasy of the little guy winning it all. It would never happen in a playoff system, but the media can create their own narrative fairy tale with their rhetoric and the way it affects two - thirds of the BCS points.
Just look how they refer to the LSU / Bama game as Bama burning to the ground, not LSU stepping up looking like a legit conteder. You'll see this for anyone who threatens TCU, the teams they beat lost... they didn't win.
Why didn't they title their article "utah loses chance at BCS game?" because thats not what they want voters to be thinking about, instead they titled it "TCU poised to go to national championship" because they want voters to have the expectations of putting TCU in the big game if 1 or 2 falls, get voters to make up their minds now before conference championship games comes into the argument and while tcu has high computer rankings after playing utah.... these comp rankings will plumet in the next two weeks. ESPN controls the BCS. Still better than the old media NC award, but still screwed up.
TCU? Going for it on 4th down every time against SMU to try and run up the score isn't "dominating", its unsportsmanlike running up of the score.
You know the announcers on ESPN etc are full of shite when they change the argument for the BCS game from who are the two best teams in the country to, things like... "who deserves to go to the game more?" or "I think Boise state "can" beat anyone on a given day..." etc etc.... you can read through all of their rhetoric that this isn't about pitting the top two teams in the country, but some bout of equity or fairness. Rememeber, most of the country does NOT have a power house team and they want to live the fantasy of the little guy winning it all. It would never happen in a playoff system, but the media can create their own narrative fairy tale with their rhetoric and the way it affects two - thirds of the BCS points.
Just look how they refer to the LSU / Bama game as Bama burning to the ground, not LSU stepping up looking like a legit conteder. You'll see this for anyone who threatens TCU, the teams they beat lost... they didn't win.
Why didn't they title their article "utah loses chance at BCS game?" because thats not what they want voters to be thinking about, instead they titled it "TCU poised to go to national championship" because they want voters to have the expectations of putting TCU in the big game if 1 or 2 falls, get voters to make up their minds now before conference championship games comes into the argument and while tcu has high computer rankings after playing utah.... these comp rankings will plumet in the next two weeks. ESPN controls the BCS. Still better than the old media NC award, but still screwed up.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:56 am to Tigergreg
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They may be good, but you have to play and beat good teams to prove it...and they haven't.
LSU plays close games with the same types of teams that TCU stomp in the ground on a regular basis.
I am not saying that TCU necessarily beats LSU, but I would say that they are good enough to do so...especially with the conservative nature of the LSU coaching staff.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:58 am to Dallasgrowl
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LSU plays close games with the same types of teams that TCU stomp in the ground on a regular basis.
Put LSU's and TCU's resumes together and compare.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:58 am to FootballNostradamus
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They have the best defense in the nation, period
Perhaps, but with that kinda schedule do we really know?
How would LSU, Bama, Auburn, Arkansas, Florida, and So. Carol. look on D with that schedule?
They may well succeed in the SEC, but that's different than winning the SEC.
Not saying they aren't good, but shouldn't you at least play some of the best to be seen as the best?
Posted on 11/9/10 at 7:59 am to Dallasgrowl
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LSU plays close games with the same types of teams that TCU stomp in the ground on a regular basis.
LSU runs at about 60% in these games. Play calling, along with everything else is toned down to allow the players to heal up for the bigger games.... this isn't the case versus a conference full of these teams.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:03 am to EricB
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LSU runs at about 60% in these games.
I call bullshite. I have seen too many instances where LSU struggles throughout games with subpar opponents to think that the coaches are holding the team back artificially.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:08 am to Dallasgrowl
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I call bullshite. I have seen too many instances where LSU struggles throughout games with subpar opponents to think that the coaches are holding the team back artificially.
You can call whatever you want to call. Go analyze the play calling and you'll see.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:18 am to EricB
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Go analyze the play calling and you'll see
What? Obviously, you have not been watching the same games I have been or you are too busy analyzing the play calling to see LSU struggle against subpar opponents.
So, in your detailed analytic study, what are you seeing that is so different from McNeese to Bama.
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Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:20 am to EricB
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Boise State does run a good scheme, but they don't have the atheletes to do so versus atheletic teams. The only reason they are getting credit right now is for beating an Oregon team at the beginning of last year that in no way resembles this year's Oregon's team.
I dunno about that, the whole thing about the West Coast Offense as run by BSU is you can, and should, use smaller quicker linemen since they won't need to hold their blocks for so long, smaller but more agile receivers (to run better short routes) etc
I'll tell you this now I'm no expert on college recruiting, not at all, but surely if BSU wanted bigger stronger players, they'd have them by now? They've been good for a while, this obviously filters through to recruiting. I know Idaho isn't some hot bed of NCAAF talent, but I think it's more than that, they're recruiting to a scheme rather than to numbers on a stat sheet and as a result they're outperforming expectations based on the calibre of recruit. It all starts with being well coached. It's like the opposite of LSU now I think about it.
I must say I wasn't impressed by how tired BSU looked towards the end of the VT game, although this may be as much from being too fired up to start the game as not being as well conditioned as some of the athletes of top tier teams.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:24 am to Tigergreg
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My point is, beating up on shitty teams doesn't prove much. It proves you can beat shitty teams.
If you don't think TCU could stay with LSU or possibly beat them, Then you know nothing about football.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:26 am to dukke v
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If you don't think TCU could stay with LSU or possibly beat them, Then you know nothing about football.
I bet you said the same thing about TCU beating Boise last year. What happened then? They were exposed.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:27 am to TIGERSby10
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What happened then? They were exposed.
Who has LSU EXPOSED this year?????
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:27 am to dukke v
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If you don't think TCU could stay with LSU or possibly beat them, Then you know nothing about football.
No one said they couldn't possibly beat LSU. Tulane could possibly beat Auburn too. It only proves that any given day, anyone can lose.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:30 am to Mephistopheles
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I'll tell you this now I'm no expert on college recruiting, not at all, but surely if BSU wanted bigger stronger players, they'd have them by now?
Nah, they wouldn't. Not a knock on the program itself, but they lack a lot of things that would attract big name recruits:
Television Exposure: Not to be confused with games that are televised. I mean people that watch their games on TV.
Conference Strength: It's like facebook or something. An exclusive club. Atheletes want to be in a conference that is loaded with other elite atheletes, not playing with a bunch of people that they look down on.
Fanbase: => not that big relative to other schools that would offer other schools
there's plenty of other reasons, but to argue that boise states head coach see's some hidden potential in 3 star atheletes that the scouts don't is irrational. He's good at coaching them, and his schemes work very well against other schools with the same amount of atheletes, but have you seen people try to run the option in the SEC or the NFL or even what happened when the best option team in the country (GTech) played the worst defense in the SEC, or one of them? Same principle. Gimmick offenses that take advantages of difference in player skill level ... against teams with enough players to keep rotating fresh feet on the field such that the nature of the scheme doesnt fatigue your players yeilds no results. It would be like Oregon versus Tenn for the first quarter, but every quarter against teams that can just keep tossing more 4 and 5 star replacements to keep fresh.
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:31 am to real
How are the computer polls not killing TCU and Boise or are they? Where do both of them rank in the computer polls?
Posted on 11/9/10 at 8:31 am to dukke v
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Who has LSU EXPOSED this year?????
They've exposed themselves has being the highest ranked team with a defeat in the country.
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