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re: all the critics on miles
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:28 pm to chilge1
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:28 pm to chilge1
quote:majority saban's players= 34-6
You also forget the program that Miles inherited. He was not responsible for recruiting all the players during that initial run. What we see today is a 100% Miles program of mediocrity in coaching and player development.
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This is such a tired argument.
majority miles players= 17-9 fact
plus miles walked into a much better situation than saban fact
quote:saban 1 nc 2 sec titles
Miles achieved greater success with Saban's players than Saban did. This is a fact.
miles 1 nc 1 sec title fact
quote:dooley, mullen, saban, nutt, meyer, butch davis, petrino. this is just lsu's schedule
I defy you to name a coach in the country who would not be intimidated at the prospect of playing the team this year. Far more teams view us as a behemoth than a cupcake.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:31 pm to Paulu
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NC and WV are coming right at us thinking they will win.
Soooo, they are supposed come to thinking they will lose? GTFOH
Washington-Rose Bowl
You should really stop.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:36 pm to Paulu
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Everyone has their opinion.
We are going to be some greatly feared team this year?
Not with the offense that I saw last fall and this spring. Not with the weak trench play. I saw some really weak middle DL play and terrible OT play on the outside at the Spring game. It starts in the trenches.
You're trying to make profound observations about a Spring Game and it's ruining any credibility you're trying to build. Could it be that the interior line looked bad because our starting DTs didn't play in the game? Could it be that our tackles looked bad because Barkevious Mingo was an unstoppable force in that game?
A Spring Game judges parity on a team. The only thing it can tell you is whether LSU's offensive line is better or worse than the defensive line. It cannot determine whether the offensive line this year is better than last, whether this offensive line is better than any defensive line in the SEC, or anything other than what is featured on the field.
Our QB play has been abysmal.
How about going to the OK State board and asking the question? Talk to some OK St fans.
If TX does not lose their QB at the start of that game, AL may not have run away with it.
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What is our 2 year SEC record? 500% - we are a break even SEC team. Record against FL, AL, OM the last 2 years is 0-6. Throw in Ark and we are lucky to be 1 - 7. [/quote]
I can humor myself and state that winning 5 times the number of games that we play is fantastic, or I can humor you and point out that our SEC record improved from 3-5 to 5-3. I can point out that Alabama and Florida will be weaker this year, that Tennessee has a first-year HC, etc etc. and that we should go at least 6-2 next year.
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It is easy to ignore what type of program Saban took over. Too bad we never got to see what Saban would have done the last 5 years if he stayed.
You mean a program that was primed for development and consisted of good-not-great recruits but had severely underachieved due to a lousy DC?
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None of us would be having this discussion. We may have ended up dominating the SEC instead of taking a step back the last two years. We might not be talking about a team that is unable to put pressure on the QB or a team unable to run the ball.
LSU would probably still be knocking the snot out of our opponents in the trenches and on defense.
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Let's see what happens in the fall. Funny thing is that this same discussion was going on last year at this time. The answer was still the same - let's see what happens in the fall.
But for the contract that Skip gave Miles - he might not be at LSU right now.
Funny thing is that after the 2008 season, the concerns were with the defense and Jarrett Lee. In 2009 we saw a defense that ranked 11th in the nation in scoring defense and a new starting QB. You act as though Miles is oblivious to all the problems with the program.. when he made an effort to fix those from last year.
Problems in 2009? The running game was a big one and the quarterback was another. What did Miles do? He has been given a great number of carries to a freshman running back, rearranged the offensive line to make it bigger and faster, brought in two other highly regarded running backs, and opened up competition at every position in the offense.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:36 pm to the crue
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Miles achieved greater success with Saban's players than Saban did. This is a fact.
saban 1 nc 2 sec titles
miles 1 nc 1 sec title fact
Actually, by your standards, Saban won the first SECCG with Dinardo's players. Just sayin....
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:40 pm to Paulu
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BTW - La Tech, Ms St, etc did not see us as an unbeatable team. Neither did what was going to be that great Rose Bowl team WA or Ark
Did they win or lose....?
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:46 pm to JaxTigah
quote:he also won 1 with his own players, unlike miles
Actually, by your standards, Saban won the first SECCG with Dinardo's players. Just sayin
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:47 pm to the crue
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majority saban's players= 34-6
majority miles players= 17-9 fact
As soon as Miles took over the program, they all became his players. To my knowledge, none of them came with Saban to Miami or transferred to Alabama when he came back to college.
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saban 1 nc 2 sec titles
miles 1 nc 1 sec title fact
Saban: 48 - 16
Miles: 51 - 15
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dooley, mullen, saban, nutt, meyer, butch davis, petrino
Dooley: first-year SEC coach
Mullen: lost to LSU when the had Dixon on the roster...
Saban: has had to eek out wins against a down LSU team for the last two years
Nutt: is facing severe loss of talent to the NFL and is starting a new QB
Meyer: is not coaching next year
Davis: had a worse offense than LSU last year
Petrino: Mallett gives them a good chance to win, and LSU fades at the end of the season. If anyone could be "confident" about playing us, it's them.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:50 pm to the crue
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he also won 1 with his own players, unlike miles
So you're the self-appointed authority who claims that after three years, the players still belong to the old coach, but after four years, they wholly, unarguably belong to the new coach?
It's spectacular what a difference a year can make, isn't it though?
You're retarded
Posted on 4/3/10 at 9:57 pm to the crue
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he also won 1 with his own players, unlike miles
And unlike Miles, he lost one game in year 5 by more points than Miles lost all of his year 5 games.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 10:14 pm to chilge1
quote:why did he start to decline once sabans players left?
As soon as Miles took over the program, they all became his players. To my knowledge, none of them came with Saban to Miami or transferred to Alabama when he came back to college
quote:saban had 3 11 game regular seasons , miles only had 1, add 2 more rent a wins for saban, 50-16 & take away miles 3 rent a wins 48-15
Saban: 48 - 16 Miles: 51 - 15
quote:any of these games lsu wins, will be a struggle like always
Dooley: first-year SEC coachMullen: lost to LSU when the had Dixon on the roster...
Saban: has had to eek out wins against a down LSU team for the last two years
Nutt: is facing severe loss of talent to the NFL and is starting a new QB
Meyer: is not coaching next year
Davis: had a worse offense than LSU last year
Petrino: Mallett gives them a good chance to win, and LSU fades at the end of the season. If anyone could be "confident" about playing us, it's them
Posted on 4/3/10 at 10:30 pm to the crue
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why did he start to decline once sabans players left?
Rather than reinforce my argument that once Miles took over in 2005, every player on the roster became his player, I'll humor your argument and point out that lack of leadership at the QB position and lack of organization on the defense led to the decline in 2008 due to unexpected personnel losses.
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Saban had 3 11 game regular seasons , miles only had 1, add 2 more rent a wins for saban, 50-16 & take away miles 3 rent a wins 48-15
First, you're not the NCAA. You can't add and subtract wins on a whim to make a point. Even if you were, the method would be to either add wins to one coach OR subtract from the other, not both. Just for fun, why don't we compare winning percentages, something not influenced by the number of games coached...
Miles: .772
Saban: .750
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any of these games lsu wins, will be a struggle like always
Like always...? So... for 114 years.. and in that time, there has not been one game that we have soundly beaten an opponent? Or did you mean always under Miles? You might want to look over his track record again...
Posted on 4/3/10 at 10:31 pm to the crue
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why did he start to decline once sabans players left?
uhhhh, RP. Ring any bells. Didn't think so, usually doesn't for Miles bashers.
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saban had 3 11 game regular seasons , miles only had 1, add 2 more rent a wins for saban, 50-16 & take away miles 3 rent a wins 48-15
Okay. I get it. You give them to one guy and take them away from the other to prove your point.
We got it.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 10:39 pm to the crue
Let's see what happens this year. Bottom is that we have not dominated jack the last 2 years.
Miles lays a dump - he is out of here. The discussion is over.
Miles gets 9 wins with our schedule - he gets another year.
Miles gets double digit wins - he gets a contract roll over for another year.
What will be the toss up is an 8 - 4 regular season. The bowl results may make the difference in that scenario. Losses for 3 straight years to OM, AL and FL might get have him an early retirement on the Skip Powerball annunity plan.
Bottom line is that he needs to win. And they all could be "ugly" wins. Just win.
Whatever direction it takes - it is a win/win for Miles but not necessarily LSU.
Miles lays a dump - he is out of here. The discussion is over.
Miles gets 9 wins with our schedule - he gets another year.
Miles gets double digit wins - he gets a contract roll over for another year.
What will be the toss up is an 8 - 4 regular season. The bowl results may make the difference in that scenario. Losses for 3 straight years to OM, AL and FL might get have him an early retirement on the Skip Powerball annunity plan.
Bottom line is that he needs to win. And they all could be "ugly" wins. Just win.
Whatever direction it takes - it is a win/win for Miles but not necessarily LSU.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 10:41 pm to Paulu
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et's see what happens this year. Bottom is that we have not dominated jack the last 2 years.
Miles lays a dump - he is out of here. The discussion is over.
Miles gets 9 wins with our schedule - he gets another year.
Miles gets double digit wins - he gets a contract roll over for another year.
What will be the toss up is an 8 - 4 regular season. The bowl results may make the difference in that scenario. Losses for 3 straight years to OM, AL and FL might get have him an early retirement on the Skip Powerball annunity plan.
Bottom line is that he needs to win. And they all could be "ugly" wins. Just win.
Whatever direction it takes - it is a win/win for Miles but not necessarily LSU.
I agree with most of this but I don't see how getting fired is a winning situation for Miles.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 11:00 pm to chilge1
quote:you right i'm not the ncaa, but is it fair to say miles has won more games & has a better winning % than saban, when miles had the advantage of having a 12 game regular season, taking over program 1 year removed from a nc, compared to playing 11 game regular seasons, & taking over a program coming off 8 out of 11 losing seasons?
First, you're not the NCAA. You can't add and subtract wins on a whim to make a point. Even if you were, the method would be to either add wins to one coach OR subtract from the other, not both. Just for fun, why don't we compare winning percentages, something not influenced by the number of games coached...
Posted on 4/3/10 at 11:04 pm to JaxTigah
quote:who recruited this guy?
uhhhh, RP. Ring any bells. Didn't think so, usually doesn't for Miles bashers
Posted on 4/3/10 at 11:10 pm to the crue
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who recruited this guy?
Yea, he recruited him. Along with virtually every other D1 team. He also had the stones to cut him loose when he had to know the situation it would put him in.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 11:14 pm to tigermike200444
quote:my dream scenario....
hes going to win 10 or 11 games this year.then all of you think he is god again.michigan fires there coach and miles leaves for michigan.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 11:18 pm to chilge1
He already won. We paid him enough $ already where he never needs to work again. No matter what happens, Miles and his family should never need for anything.
Posted on 4/3/10 at 11:20 pm to TiegerTim
Not really. It would F up recruiting in a key year. And then who do we bring in?
Pellini, Muschamp, Butch Davis, Dooley ????
Pellini, Muschamp, Butch Davis, Dooley ????
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