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re: As gold as it still is, could Starship Toopers be remade and improved?

Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:15 pm to
Posted by dcw7g
Member since Dec 2003
1977 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 12:15 pm to
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What's wrong with those ideas?

Nothing at all.

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I don't think citizenship is a 'right-wing' idea.

Citizenship only for those who serve in the military certainly is - at least it's considered right-wing nowadays. That's not to say it's a bad idea. Restricting voting rights to those who serve the country in the military or in some other fashion is an entirely reasonable thought.

That's why Verhoeven making the movie a satire of fascism could be interpreted as insulting to Heinlein. The movie was essentially mocking the soldiers for buying into their government's propaganda and volunteering to fight. As terrible as the bugs were, the movie put all the blame for the war on the Earth government.

Posted by ouflak
Manchester, England
Member since Jul 2021
355 posts
Posted on 4/29/24 at 3:57 pm to
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That's why Verhoeven making the movie a satire of fascism


But it wasn't a satire of fascism as fascism assumes, by definition, autocratic dictitorial power. There was literally a peaceful transition of power right there on screen fairly early on in the movie.

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The movie was essentially mocking the soldiers for buying into their government's propaganda and volunteering to fight.


Except that most young people didn't join the military, as was alluded to in the shower scene where everybody bared their chests and explained why they in particular joined (easier to obtain a parenting license, pay for college, looking for adventure, and ofcourse... a girl).

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As terrible as the bugs were, the movie put all the blame for the war on the Earth government.


Actually they very explicitly put the blame on independent colonizers who were illegally (as in breaking human government laws) putting down roots in bug territory - even after targeted and specific warnings not do so. I think that's mentioned in the first 5 minutes of the movie.
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