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re: Russia prolonging Ukraine war

Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:31 am to
Posted by WonTonDonWon
Member since Apr 2024
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:31 am to
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I'm guessing that none of those numbers are accurate.


They had 4 operational awacs type aircraft. Ukraine shot down one. They have others that they harvest for parts at least one of those was hit and damaged in a drone attack. When these go down they have generals, majors, & lieutenants on them. They were built in soviet times and can't be produced anymore.

They have another type of aircraft that does command and control too but aren't nearly as capable as the ones with the big ole disk on it. 7-8 or so. A few of those have been shot down too. They have majors and lieutenants on them.

15% of Fighters is just what they have shot down. They have lost some more to stupid a** ridiculous mistakes. Six? Six? S-400's no way, way more. Not including the ones they have had to pull back out of range of battle. Back to the motherland to protect their refineries and factories.

Do you think The Institution for the Study of War is some liberal rag? Over and over again these numbers are replicated individually by different agencies. Ukraine's numbers they publish on equipment kills have been over and over proven reliable. The only somewhat questionable thing is Ukraine's claims of Russian casualties. Most outsiders run around 40-80 thousand less than their claimed 460,000 Russian casualties. With a caveat that it's "really hard to get casualties right but we are mostly in line with Ukraine's numbers".

It's like some people read some far one-sided leaning rag (propaganda) from a year ago and then think "Im guessing that crap I read a year ago is more likely to be right then up to date numbers", backed by multiple parties. . Wishful thinking isn't data.

It's a crazy world. Everything Russia says is true they never lie. Anything good to be said about Ukraine is fake news.
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 4/22/24 at 5:59 am to
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It's like some people read some far one-sided leaning rag (propaganda) from a year ago and then think "Im guessing that crap I read a year ago is more likely to be right then up to date numbers", backed by multiple parties. . Wishful thinking isn't data.

It's a crazy world. Everything Russia says is true they never lie. Anything good to be said about Ukraine is fake news.


The problem is that you cannot trust any media outlet nowadays for fear of being propaganda on either side. Not many outlets have boots on the ground like in early days of the conflict. No one is reporting the Russian side accurately for fear of being labeled a propagandist for Putin or the fear of Putin kicking you out. Meanwhile on the other side of the pond, the US media reports the latest information from the Pentagon or the CIA as the Gospel.
This post was edited on 4/22/24 at 6:03 am
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