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re: Looking back at Jimbo Fisher's time at LSU
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:00 am to GeauxBob
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:00 am to GeauxBob
I honestly dont see how someone could look at a gary crowton offense throughout his entire career and compare it to LSU's offense now and arrive at any other conclusion. Just because crowton took credit for a failed playcall doesn't mean he's not having to tailor his selections to what Miles wants. Do you really expect him to say at a press conference, "well i wanted to run so and so and such and such point in the game but les wanted to go in a different direction." No coordinator who wants to keep his job would ever say that.
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 2:01 am
Posted on 12/1/08 at 2:18 am to dranknpurple
I see the force in examining LSU playcalling in light of each coach's general history and tendencies. That makes sense.
But the claim that LM "forces his control over the offense and override[s] Crowton" is not fully convincing. There's just not enough evidence.
I guess a telling question would be: does CG ever employ double tight ends, I-formation, runs up the middle and so forth (of his own free choice)? If he does, then it is not so easy to say simply that LM is calling the plays when we see those formations/plays.
Likewise, is it not possible (as others have already suggested) that the CG/"wide-open" playbook is not possible with the young QB's at this point? And so CG (in consultation with LM) is willingly running simpler stuff (more runs out of I-form)? {honest answer is "yes"...its possible}.
So, if possible, then, the claim that LM is over-riding CG is really not all that well established. Burden of proof is on those making the claim. And I suspect there have been occasions in which it has happened that the two men disagreed and Miles had the final say as HC. But that he does it habitually has not been demonstrated.
Its not enough just to point to actual plays on the field (or even changes within games like Friday). All we really see are actual plays-- not the hidden causes (i.e. the behind-the-scenes play caller or the intellectual rationale for the given play).
For instance: every time we see a run up the middle from I-form are we really supposed to just exclaim, "That's Miles." And ever time we see a 5 wide set we exclaim , "There's Crowton"? Really? Is it really that simple or that obvious?
(Just for the record my original post referred only to CG not Jimbo or Gundy. That may be a related topic but not in any way conclusive in the CG/LM question insofar as each coaching relation differs.)
But the claim that LM "forces his control over the offense and override[s] Crowton" is not fully convincing. There's just not enough evidence.
I guess a telling question would be: does CG ever employ double tight ends, I-formation, runs up the middle and so forth (of his own free choice)? If he does, then it is not so easy to say simply that LM is calling the plays when we see those formations/plays.
Likewise, is it not possible (as others have already suggested) that the CG/"wide-open" playbook is not possible with the young QB's at this point? And so CG (in consultation with LM) is willingly running simpler stuff (more runs out of I-form)? {honest answer is "yes"...its possible}.
So, if possible, then, the claim that LM is over-riding CG is really not all that well established. Burden of proof is on those making the claim. And I suspect there have been occasions in which it has happened that the two men disagreed and Miles had the final say as HC. But that he does it habitually has not been demonstrated.
Its not enough just to point to actual plays on the field (or even changes within games like Friday). All we really see are actual plays-- not the hidden causes (i.e. the behind-the-scenes play caller or the intellectual rationale for the given play).
For instance: every time we see a run up the middle from I-form are we really supposed to just exclaim, "That's Miles." And ever time we see a 5 wide set we exclaim , "There's Crowton"? Really? Is it really that simple or that obvious?
(Just for the record my original post referred only to CG not Jimbo or Gundy. That may be a related topic but not in any way conclusive in the CG/LM question insofar as each coaching relation differs.)
This post was edited on 12/1/08 at 3:04 am
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