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re: Home Theater audio setup

Posted on 4/17/16 at 8:18 pm to
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
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Posted on 4/17/16 at 8:18 pm to
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I ran the wires in the ceiling.

Crap, I wonder if that will be an issue with the reception for the rears then? I guess I could cut the holes and put the receiver in there and attach the speakers and see if it works. If not, I'll have to mount it to the front of the soffit which kinda sucks.

I read on those add-on Atmos so it's more to shoot the sound up it seems, sounds like those will add a nice dynamic. Surprised it's $200 for those 2 little buggers

You're still on the SVS sub then? Would be nice to get a good one for $300 + these Atmos add-ons.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22163 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 8:27 pm to
Klipsch Tower pair 600
Klipsch Center 300

Plus the Polk rears, avr and SVS

If you really want to go cheaper on the sub then you can get a BIC F12. It won't be nearly as good but it will fill up a room.
This post was edited on 4/17/16 at 8:30 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 8:34 pm to
Here's a Klipsch sub if you like that route
Sub
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22163 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 8:48 pm to
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:24 pm to
By George, I think we've got it

Although I'll probably go with the F12 since it's $100 cheaper than the PL200 unless you really think I need the difference?

Added it all in my cart and it's right under $1,400 with the Atmos add-on speakers. I still need to buy the wireless kit and some cables and speaker wire. Speaking of, Amazon is recommending Mediabridge ULTRA Series sub cable and their own speaker wire Amazon Basics 16 guage

Do you like other brands or gauges or this good enough. Anything else I need cable wise or at all?


Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22163 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:34 pm to
You going with the Pioneer speakers with the BIC F12? You cheap bastard
This post was edited on 4/17/16 at 9:36 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 4/17/16 at 9:38 pm to



ETA: Keep in mind I'm going from a Samsung soundbar to this. This will sound great to me and I can add more if I really need to later. I may even drop off the Atmos add-ons and see how the system sounds
This post was edited on 4/17/16 at 9:41 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 4:44 am to
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They will fill that room with better sound then any other speaker you've listed in this thread.

What do you think of the Definitive Technology 8020's? I went back to BB today to pick up the Rocketfish wireless kit and they now have them for $299 each. So for $600 I get 2 towers with built in 8" 150 watt subwoofers. They have the 8040 center for $299.

I could go $900 and have the front completely setup with Def Tech vs $600 with Pioneer towers, center, and BIC sub

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Hu_Flung_Pu

See what you think as well.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 4:47 am
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
38970 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:41 am to
Not sure I'd buy 'built in' subwoofers. Not sure 150 watt 8 inch subwoofers are going to be theater quality. I think they'd be great for music, but you may want something with a little more arse for a theater setup.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22163 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:51 am to
Don't do integrated subs. They won't be nearly as good as stand alone.

They only have 3 1/2" drivers and go to 30Hz. You won't get much dynamic bass response.
Posted by TigerWise
Front Seat of an Uber
Member since Sep 2010
35113 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:51 am to
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They only have 3 1/2" drivers and go to 30Hz. You won't get much dynamic bass response


It has two 8" subs. I can tell you with the 8060 there is no need for a stand alone sub in a room that size. Plenty of enough bass and there is an advantage to having two subs.

You could go with the BP6B if you didn't want the subs but they don't have the nice discounts on those right now.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22163 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 12:27 pm to
The midrange are only 3 1/2". The subs are 8". What size room? I didn't see that?

This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 12:32 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 1:06 pm to
The living/dining area is about 320 sq ft.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22163 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 2:35 pm to
You might not have enough room for them anyway. Being that they are bipole, they would probably sound weird with music also if you wanted to do that.
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 3:38 pm to
Well, I do play music but not that much. The 8020's are not as big so that's why I thought those might be a good idea and they have the sub built-in. But I also know you were saying you like a separate sub.

TigerWise likes the Def Tech so I figured I'd get both your opinions. I could add a sub later if I felt the two 8" subs weren't doing enough.

As far as the bipole thing, I read on it and I'm not sure where that would be an issue for me but I probably don't understand it either . I could position the 2 towers on both sides of my TV a foot away which is 2' minimum away from side walls. I could also pull them out at least a foot from the back wall.

Not saying I'm going this way, just thinking about it. I have been reading so much about receivers these last few days I'm losing it. I go back and forth with the Denon and Pioneer Elite, mainly because the Denon is refurb just to get it to the Elite price point and it's a X2200 which I think maybe the X3200 is more of a comparable to the Pioneer SC-91, but I could be wrong? Denon has DTS:X and from I read Pioneer doesn't but again, I don't even know if I'm using the Atmos and other features that both offer just going with 3 speakers up front and 2 rears (although I likely will add some Atmos at some point)?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22163 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 7:35 pm to
Don't sweat the receiver. I got my Denon from that accessories for less which are refurbs. Been running strong for 5 years.

Left and Right towers are going to be the most important, Sub second, Center third and rears very last. That's all IMO.

I wouldn't worry about Atmos unless you are getting them now. Just upgrade the receiver when you upgrade the system to Atmos. If the one has it you want, all the better. I would just look for Audyssey MultiEQ or MultiEQ XT (Denon/Marantz bias ) and figure out if you need 7.1 or 7.2 in the future. If not, just save some money on a 5.1. Bluetooth and whatever are nice but there are better systems out there that you could use. Chromecast is probably better integration with music.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 7:43 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 9:44 pm to
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Left and Right towers are going to be the most important, Sub second, Center third and rears very last. That's all IMO.

That's how I'm viewing it and why I like the Def Tech for towers, but I get the point of the separate sub as well.
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I would just look for Audyssey MultiEQ or MultiEQ XT

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Denon/Marantz bias

Yeah no shite considering these are the only 2 brands with that
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Chromecast is probably better integration with music.

I have a Roku 3. If I play music I usually find myself doing it from my cell or my laptop via Bluetooth. Although I do use the Pandora app on Roku sometimes as well.

Thanks again for all your help, I'm just going to keep reading and learning and go to BB and listen some more and buy something by next week at the latest. Will let you know what I get. Any other opinions still very welcomed
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22163 posts
Posted on 4/18/16 at 11:36 pm to
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Yeah no shite considering these are the only 2 brands with that


Actually Onkyo use to have it too. They may still, I haven't looked.

And don't think the Def Techs are better because of the price. Those Pioneers match a bunch of higher priced items. It's main downfall is the sensitivity rating. It takes a little more juice to get them louder. However, you probably won't notice since you can just turn it up more.

Either way, it's your ears and definitely pick out what best sounds best to you.
This post was edited on 4/18/16 at 11:39 pm
Posted by Sho Nuff
Oahu
Member since Feb 2009
11917 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 1:58 am to
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Actually Onkyo use to have it too.

Yeah I saw that on older models but that they don't anymore.
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And don't think the Def Techs are better because of the price. Those Pioneers match a bunch of higher priced items. It's main downfall is the sensitivity rating. It takes a little more juice to get them louder. However, you probably won't notice since you can just turn it up more.

Good, as I'm still leaning towards the system you and I put together even though you gave me grief for going that route
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Either way, it's your ears and definitely pick out what best sounds best to you.

Can't hear those Pioneers until I order them and install them but I get the point
Posted by TigerWise
Front Seat of an Uber
Member since Sep 2010
35113 posts
Posted on 4/19/16 at 5:59 am to
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Left and Right towers are going to be the most important, Sub second, Center third and rears very last. That's all IMO


For music L/R are the most important, but for movies the center is the most important.
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