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re: Geoff Cameron Counterpoints Michael Bradley
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:16 pm to McCaigBro69
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:16 pm to McCaigBro69
Amen man.
I knew Geoff Cameron would speak up. He was a very outspoken Trump supporter during the campaign.
I knew Geoff Cameron would speak up. He was a very outspoken Trump supporter during the campaign.
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Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:24 pm to Sheep
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Anecdotal - but the only place I see this statement is from my wife's oilfield relatives in Lafayette that thought Obama was going to instill Sharia Law at any moment.
I hate to get political on here but that is BS....we heard this shite over and over and over in 2008.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:26 pm to pvilleguru
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If you live in America, have you honestly been worried that ISIS is going to hurt you?
In Superbowl security meetings can you honestly say that you believe the term "ISIS" hasn't been spoken?
If so I'd say your head is buried bro.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:31 pm to LSU316
quote:I don't know if they've specifically said ISIS, but it is their job to prepare for any type of "disturbance".
In Superbowl security meetings can you honestly say that you believe the term "ISIS" hasn't been spoken?
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:37 pm to pvilleguru
I'll bet you Toni Kroos and Rafael Varane that its come up 
What I'm getting at is that if they are concerned about it and ISIS has attacked Orlando and San Bernardino why shouldn't individuals be concerned about ISIS?
You as a person are the single entity that has the most control over your own safety. Not the police, not the army, not the government, just you. I personally try to keep an open mind and be prepared for anything based on my surroundings. Yea if I'm in the country in Crowley riding horses with my daughter....probably not thinking about massive attacks. If I'm at the movie theatre in Lafayette with her you're damn right I have a heightened sense of awareness for mass attacks (which could be perpetrated by ISIS based on past history).
What I'm getting at is that if they are concerned about it and ISIS has attacked Orlando and San Bernardino why shouldn't individuals be concerned about ISIS?
You as a person are the single entity that has the most control over your own safety. Not the police, not the army, not the government, just you. I personally try to keep an open mind and be prepared for anything based on my surroundings. Yea if I'm in the country in Crowley riding horses with my daughter....probably not thinking about massive attacks. If I'm at the movie theatre in Lafayette with her you're damn right I have a heightened sense of awareness for mass attacks (which could be perpetrated by ISIS based on past history).
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:39 pm to oauron
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Well, that's not true. But if you want to get in a numbers fight, it's still single digits. I'm not onboard with all of the EO, but to say it's entirely without reason isn't correct either.
The seven nations banned have produced 7% of America's terrorist attacks and 0 deaths.
It's not entirely without reason. It's an entirely political reason.
It was horribly executed policy which is why McCain and Graham, two dudes most conservatives are in agreement with, came out against it.
Trump, more correctly Bannon and Miller, are using half measures to start a fight, not full measures to attempt at effectively governing. If they were actually concerned with security they would've had the EO thouroughly vetted so every governmental organization outside of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue would've known what the frick was going on.
They just wanted to piss off brown people.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:42 pm to Stewie Griffin
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It was horribly executed policy
I'd say yes here....but only because it was hastily done and didn't include all countries it should have.
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McCain and Graham, two dudes most conservatives are in agreement with,
...RINOsPosted on 2/3/17 at 1:42 pm to theOG
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this thread really needs to be deleted.
I disagree. I love political dialogue but the poli board is a shite show.
Most of the posters here are respectful and well informed and we can disagree peacefully and have productive conversations.
As long as there's a soccer hook I think we should have these talks.
Geoff makes good points. Security is an issue. I just don't think that's what Trump's people were actually concerned about, and their poor execution and divisive language supports my thinking.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:43 pm to LSU316
There is no greater RINO than Trump.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:46 pm to Stewie Griffin
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As long as there's a soccer hook I think we should have these talks.
True.
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There is no greater RINO than Trump.
True but he is on the other side of McCain and he has never really claimed to be anything other than what he is.
McCain snuggled up in between Michelle and Barrack to keep himself fat and happy while continuing to tell conservatives that he was in fact conservative and had our best interests at heart....
Posted on 2/3/17 at 1:50 pm to LSU316
Yeah and apparently he has shite approval ratings so that undermines my point slightly
Posted on 2/3/17 at 2:11 pm to Stewie Griffin
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Graham
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came out
He isn't fooling anybody.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 2:49 pm to McCaigBro69
I live in Chicago, so I am much more concerned about getting mugged and killed by some thug than I am by ISIS at this point in time.
I do think we are naive, as a nation, to think that groups like ISIS are not trying to find a way to infiltrate our country.
I only say this because multiple terrorist organizations have said exactly that.
I do think we are naive, as a nation, to think that groups like ISIS are not trying to find a way to infiltrate our country.
I only say this because multiple terrorist organizations have said exactly that.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 2/3/17 at 2:54 pm to SM6
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I do think we are naive, as a nation, to think that groups like ISIS are not trying to find a way to infiltrate our country
I don't think many people deny this, the question is do we really need to take these extreme measures to prevent that from happening? Is it worth compromising the ideals that our country was built upon?
That is where the disagreement comes from.
This post was edited on 2/3/17 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 2/3/17 at 3:49 pm to Cap Crunch
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Is it worth compromising the ideals that our country was built upon?
Well we won't have a country for more than a century if I had to guess if something isn't done about terrorism and radical islamists as a whole.
They either need to reform their people/religion or some world leader is finally going to have enough of their shite and start WWIII which will likely just end the world, or us, since every snowflake who can't decide if they're a girl or a guy will have to be the ones who go and fight the war.
It's honestly so freaking stupid how people are so dumb and can't just go have a beer and discuss differences. Instead, they'd rather strap on a bomb and go blow up a ton of people.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 4:02 pm to Cap Crunch
The discourse in this thread has been respectful and honest. I will offer my opinion not about the immigration/travel executive order but simply about the responses of Cameron and Bradley.
In my opinion, Cameron's response was much better in tone than Bradley's response. If you look at what Cameron said, he stated his opinion and did so in a respectful, reflective manner. Bradley's response, however, seemed more like a rant. He used the words xenophobic, misogynistic, narcissistic, sad, embarrassed, and out of touch in essentially one paragraph. It took me by surprise because I always viewed Bradley as someone who would always offer a measured, diplomatic tone.
Bradley's statement reminded me of Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" declaration. I don't think it was helpful in moving forward discussion of the issue at hand and he either did not think about the 63M Americans that voted for Trump or he did not care about labeling them with several disparaging comments. I also don't think he thought about some of his teammates, like Cameron, that might have an alternative point of view.
I just think Bradley could have been more respectful in stating his opinion. Cameron did so without resorting to any inflammatory rhetoric. I feel Bradley could have and should have done the same.
That's all.
In my opinion, Cameron's response was much better in tone than Bradley's response. If you look at what Cameron said, he stated his opinion and did so in a respectful, reflective manner. Bradley's response, however, seemed more like a rant. He used the words xenophobic, misogynistic, narcissistic, sad, embarrassed, and out of touch in essentially one paragraph. It took me by surprise because I always viewed Bradley as someone who would always offer a measured, diplomatic tone.
Bradley's statement reminded me of Hillary Clinton's "basket of deplorables" declaration. I don't think it was helpful in moving forward discussion of the issue at hand and he either did not think about the 63M Americans that voted for Trump or he did not care about labeling them with several disparaging comments. I also don't think he thought about some of his teammates, like Cameron, that might have an alternative point of view.
I just think Bradley could have been more respectful in stating his opinion. Cameron did so without resorting to any inflammatory rhetoric. I feel Bradley could have and should have done the same.
That's all.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 5:11 pm to SM6
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I live in Chicago, so I am much more concerned about getting mugged and killed by some thug than I am by ISIS at this point in time.
So do I and I'm not even worried about that...
Posted on 2/3/17 at 5:22 pm to John Keating
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In my opinion, Cameron's response was much better in tone than Bradley's response.
While I agree more with Cameron's statements, I will admit that I have no problem with what Bradley said. He's entitled to his opinion and don't blame him for stating whatever it is he wants.
My issue with all this is the way the media is portraying players who are in any way supporting Trump and what the government is no doing, like with Tom Brady. They're making these guys out to be imbeciles, which I believe is idiotic.
Posted on 2/3/17 at 5:37 pm to LuckyTiger
Didn't know Geoff Cameron was woke
Good for him
Good for him
Posted on 2/3/17 at 5:39 pm to McCaigBro69
I don't have any problem with Bradley's opinion either. My only issue is the manner and tone in which he delivered it. He is certainly entitled to state his opinion in any manner he chooses it is just that I don't think the manner and tone he used was productive, helpful, or wise as captain.
Well, while Bradley did not use the term "imbeciles," he did use several disparaging terms. That is what I am contrasting with Cameron, who used no such rhetoric. My focus is not on the opinion per se but rather on the expression of it.
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My issue with all this is the way the media is portraying players who are in any way supporting Trump and what the government is no doing, like with Tom Brady. They're making these guys out to be imbeciles, which I believe is idiotic.
Well, while Bradley did not use the term "imbeciles," he did use several disparaging terms. That is what I am contrasting with Cameron, who used no such rhetoric. My focus is not on the opinion per se but rather on the expression of it.
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