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Posted on 4/17/14 at 10:21 am to TFTC
does he live in sheffield? can he lead a normal life? does he get death threats?
i googled all of these things and didn't find anything about his life as of now.
i googled all of these things and didn't find anything about his life as of now.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:38 pm to PTBob
Did Liverpool fans have a bad rep before Heysel? I know a few other groups that come to mind like West Ham, Millwall (still a rough crowd), Chelsea, and Portsmouth.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:47 pm to itawambadog
I assume you're talking about their firms (to not confuse them with the much larger percentage of normal fans).
Yes they were already among those you mention. In fact, probably a lot more infamous around Europe since they played there a lot more than the others. They were particularly well known stealing expensive gear to wear but also resell to fund travel.
Yes they were already among those you mention. In fact, probably a lot more infamous around Europe since they played there a lot more than the others. They were particularly well known stealing expensive gear to wear but also resell to fund travel.
This post was edited on 4/17/14 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 4/17/14 at 1:53 pm to wm72
Yeah I was mainly talking about about the firms.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 2:12 pm to itawambadog
Yeah, I was sure it's what you meant but it's an important distinction to make since the press often conflates the two in service of a sensationalism that often has a political motivation.
Though certainly violent toward other firms and at odds with the police, it's also true that the "mindless animals" caricature of firms themselves is a media creation based on a minute percentage of even those groups.
Though certainly violent toward other firms and at odds with the police, it's also true that the "mindless animals" caricature of firms themselves is a media creation based on a minute percentage of even those groups.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:27 pm to wm72
Not a huge soccer fan, but great film.
My question, at what point, as a fan, do you see a line and think if it as nothing more? If there was nowhere to go, what prompted people to keep pushing forward. The crush had to start from somewhere .
My question, at what point, as a fan, do you see a line and think if it as nothing more? If there was nowhere to go, what prompted people to keep pushing forward. The crush had to start from somewhere .
Posted on 4/17/14 at 5:53 pm to TexasTiger08
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what prompted people to keep pushing forward.
Kickoff.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:02 pm to RandySavage
Yup it was kickoff. They had a chance to delay the start but decided not to.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 7:47 pm to TexasTiger08
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My question, at what point, as a fan, do you see a line and think if it as nothing more? If there was nowhere to go, what prompted people to keep pushing forward. The crush had to start from somewhere .
Leppings lane motor vehicles and kickoff.
Posted on 4/17/14 at 8:29 pm to itawambadog
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They had a chance to delay the start but decided not to.
Should have been a no brainer.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:01 am to Bho
Just finished the doc. Incredibly well-made.
That's how you tell a story. Show us the facts/timeline of what happened and let the people involved share their personal stories.
Gut-wrenching, powerful and raw look at the entire disaster and the aftermath. The opening hour was extremely tough to watch. The second hour was maddening when you saw all the details and depth of the coverup and corruption.
That's how you tell a story. Show us the facts/timeline of what happened and let the people involved share their personal stories.
Gut-wrenching, powerful and raw look at the entire disaster and the aftermath. The opening hour was extremely tough to watch. The second hour was maddening when you saw all the details and depth of the coverup and corruption.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 8:39 am to RandySavage
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All the information he was getting outside from his frantic officers was that if he didn't do something people were going to start dying outside. It seems he was getting a lot of heat for not taking any action but wouldn't not trying something (opening the gate) just have been another example of him doing nothing?
Maybe, but he still picked the worst of a few possible options. For starters, he could have delayed kickoff or closed the gate to the pen behind the goal, forcing fans to head to the sides.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 8:57 am to LSUSOBEAST1
it's a tough decision to make, especially after he already had started digging himself into a hole with not having enough police presence. any one of us could have fricked that decision up.
That being said, he is paid to make these decisions and you can't freeze or make the wrong decision when you are in that position. He done fricked up and proceeded to finish digging his hole in the cover up.
That being said, he is paid to make these decisions and you can't freeze or make the wrong decision when you are in that position. He done fricked up and proceeded to finish digging his hole in the cover up.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 7:55 pm to PTBob
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any one of us could have fricked that decision up.
Eh....it seemed from the point of view of the other policemen that these types of decisions would have been rudimentary for anyone that had any experience around football. The decisions he should've made seemed logical to me and I have no experience with crowd control. I'm not saying he made the decisions he made on purpose, but it seems he could not have been more naive or nonchalant about what was an obviously dangerous situation.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 11:59 pm to PTBob
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any one of us could have fricked that decision up.
Except any one of us wouldn't be in his position. That's the point.
Sure, it was a hard decision to make. But crowd control at the stadium was his fricking job. It's depressing how badly he fricked everything up, and even worse the police officers who were interviewed made it seem like he wasn't giving any orders at all. I do think his superiors who put him in charge should receive more of the blame than he should, despite them likely being far removed from the decision-making process. He flat-out was nowhere close to being experienced enough for the position he was given.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 12:31 am to LSUSOBEAST1
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Sure, it was a hard decision to make.
I don't know. Seems like delaying the game is pretty simple. Seems like immediately opening the pen gates to the field while simultaneously closing the Lepping's Lane gate isn't rocket science. Hell even calling in more city police to close down Leppings Lane (the street itself) so that people weren't forced to move away from the highway and into the smallest entrance in the ground.
I'm sure i'm trivializing what is probably much more complicated. But the man is paid to know how to carry out those solutions and he didn't.
Posted on 4/19/14 at 1:18 pm to LSUSOBEAST1
Yeh I agree. That's what
quote:from my last post meant.
That being said, he is paid to make these decisions and you can't freeze or make the wrong decision when you are in that position
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:02 pm to PTBob
Rerun on ESPN now
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:03 pm to PTBob
The replay is starting for those that missed it earlier or just want to watch again.
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