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Without God, are all men truly equal?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:48 pm
If God is nonexistent then nature would dictate that all men/races are not equal. Without God we have to defer to nature, nature has no interest in the equality of species/races but would actually evolve and favor species/races that are superior to others. This process would be continuous, as new superior species/races evolve and inferior species go extinct.
Nature seeks balance and not equality so today's civilized society claiming that all men are created equal is false if we defer back to nature's ways.
Equality? What is equality among man/races and how does nature define equal? Are all races physically equal in stature, strength, resistance to disease, intelligence, etc.?
This topic is considered taboo and most people are hesitant and uncomfortable discussing the topic but without God men are just animals, and animals are in competition with other animals (races) and each animal develops specific desirable traits that allow them to survive in their particular environment.
So, are we equal? If you're an atheist and believe in evolution to the extent that man crawled from a primordial soup there is little reason to believe that all races are equal. Evolution dictates that humans who lived in different environments would develop differently to cope and succeed in their surroundings.
I personally believe man was created in God's image and that all races from the human species are equal but in a society absent from God one could easily make the case that nature would favor some races over others.
Let's keep in mind that man has bred the dog species into a wide variance of size, intelligence, longevity, etc. and this was all accomplished in just the past 25,000 yrs, I only mention this as a reference on how fast a specie/breed can change due to selective breeding, and we all love dogs but all dogs are not equal.
The wife is calling me, as she needs assistance weeding the garden, I'll check back later.
Nature seeks balance and not equality so today's civilized society claiming that all men are created equal is false if we defer back to nature's ways.
Equality? What is equality among man/races and how does nature define equal? Are all races physically equal in stature, strength, resistance to disease, intelligence, etc.?
This topic is considered taboo and most people are hesitant and uncomfortable discussing the topic but without God men are just animals, and animals are in competition with other animals (races) and each animal develops specific desirable traits that allow them to survive in their particular environment.
So, are we equal? If you're an atheist and believe in evolution to the extent that man crawled from a primordial soup there is little reason to believe that all races are equal. Evolution dictates that humans who lived in different environments would develop differently to cope and succeed in their surroundings.
I personally believe man was created in God's image and that all races from the human species are equal but in a society absent from God one could easily make the case that nature would favor some races over others.
Let's keep in mind that man has bred the dog species into a wide variance of size, intelligence, longevity, etc. and this was all accomplished in just the past 25,000 yrs, I only mention this as a reference on how fast a specie/breed can change due to selective breeding, and we all love dogs but all dogs are not equal.
The wife is calling me, as she needs assistance weeding the garden, I'll check back later.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 7:51 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:52 pm to Bass Tiger
Well... since the Left has done everything it could to dispel God, it seems appropriate to let nature take its course.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:55 pm to Bass Tiger
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If God is nonexistent then nature would dictate that all men/races are not equal. Without God we have to defer to nature, nature has no interest in the equality of species/races but would actually evolve and favor species/races that are superior to others. This process would be continuous, as new superior species/races evolve and inferior species go extinct.
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I personally believe man was created in God's image and that all races from the human species are equal but in a society absent from God one could easily make the case that nature would favor some races over others.
Species and race are different things.. or at least they exist on a dramatically different scale. Humans are the pinnacle of evolution as far as we know.
You're also ignoring the most important piece of information about natural selection.. it's context-dependent. White people for example.. if the north american continent became uninhabitable due to some cataclysmic event.. would result in massive depopulation at the hands of skin cancer if forced to move closer to the equator.
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 8:01 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:56 pm to Bass Tiger
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If you're an atheist and believe in evolution to the extent that man crawled from a primordial soup there is little reason to believe that all races are equal.
I assume you meant understand evolution.
The lack of all men being equal does not dictate that rights should not be equal.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:57 pm to Bass Tiger
All you need to do is look at a couple brains in an fMRI scanner and do a couple cognitive tests and you'll realize that we are absolutely not equal.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 7:58 pm to Bass Tiger
Pretty valid points.
I actually wish we could be like nature intended for us sometimes. It would be to wipe out the epidemic of liberalism and Islam in a single nature normal destruction.
Alas, I am a Christian so I don't really want that to happen. (Somewhat lol, I am human after all)
Which if you think about it, proves your OP.
I actually wish we could be like nature intended for us sometimes. It would be to wipe out the epidemic of liberalism and Islam in a single nature normal destruction.
Alas, I am a Christian so I don't really want that to happen. (Somewhat lol, I am human after all)
Which if you think about it, proves your OP.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:00 pm to bmy
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Species and race are different things.. or at least they exist on a dramatically different scale. Humans are the pinnacle of evolution as far as we know.
Actually every species alive today is equally advanced.
and as according to phylogeny there is no such thing as races for humans. if so it would actually make them distinct subspecies with more specific reproductive groups which is not accurate.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:00 pm to Wild Thang
Why stop at Islam? Might as well wipe out all bad ideas while you're at it.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:03 pm to Bass Tiger
This is one of those topics that modern science will not touch with a thirty-foot pole. They reason it away by saying, "It isn't worth studying because not enough time has passed since races split off from each other for any appreciable differences to have developed," while apparently ignoring the very obvious differences that define races in the first place.
Any scientist who actually attempted to study this subject objectively would be committing career suicide.
Any scientist who actually attempted to study this subject objectively would be committing career suicide.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:05 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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This is one of those topics that modern science will not touch with a thirty-foot pole. They reason it away by saying, "It isn't worth studying because not enough time has passed since races split off from each other for any appreciable differences to have developed," while apparently ignoring the very obvious differences that define races in the first place.
Any scientist who actually attempted to study this subject objectively would be committing career suicide.
You should really do some research before you make ridiculous claims
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:05 pm to Bass Tiger
quote:what does "equal" even mean to you?
If you're an atheist and believe in evolution to the extent that man crawled from a primordial soup there is little reason to believe that all races are equal.
because im an atheist and there are lots of very good reasons to believe that all races are equal. it doesn't mean the races are identical, they are physically different in many ways, but they all have equal ability to contribute and make the world a better place.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:06 pm to TheTideMustRoll
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Any scientist who actually attempted to study this subject objectively would be committing career suicide.
Scientists have studied race, and they determined it does not exist.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:07 pm to Bass Tiger
Some of you people should keep your contemplative moments to yourself.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:10 pm to LSUconvert
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The lack of all men being equal does not dictate that rights should not be equal.
Then explain how that occurs? What dictates rights should be equal? Don't say anything that involves humans, because history instantly negates that answer.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:12 pm to Bass Tiger
If God exists how can nature be anything but his will?
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:13 pm to Bass Tiger
This post was edited on 6/25/17 at 8:13 pm
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:16 pm to bmy
quote:So you're saying due to the good hand some races have been dealt over other in terms of climate, geography and local wildlife populations that some races are in fact superior to others?
You're also ignoring the most important piece of information about natural selection.. it's context-dependent. White people for example.. if the north american continent became uninhabitable due to some cataclysmic event.. would result in massive depopulation at the hands of skin cancer if forced to move closer to the equator.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:16 pm to Bass Tiger
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Without God, are all men truly equal? by Bass Tiger
Nope. And even with God, all are/is not equal. Judgment/Justice is an essential Principle in a God Paradigm.
Now a philosophical scenario wherein all men MIGHT be considered equal - in a relative timely sense - is that if we all live continuously-linked and eternal lives wherein we experience all manner of humanistic scenarios so that we may acquire the character-building experience therein...then it becomes more a matter of which particular step on the ladder one currently finds their self. All men would be equal in that would - in due time - experience all the same things...and move toward the same destination. I.e., 'Heaven'; the acquisition of Knowledge as Power, to create one's Self and by extension...Empirical Reality.
Such would be the only viable option for a truly Absolutely Just God which created/pre-destined Individuals toward either total, conscious and Self-aware Union (with God)...or the Empirical opposite of that, such being total unconscious dissolution of Self. A just God could not go there, minus any ultimate input of relatively ignorant and flawed individuals.
There is no such thing as innate equality of anything, as all things are uniquely and beautifully individual. But there should be equality under Law; of the which our Founders envisioned, codified and assumed that such visionary wisdom indeed came from Above.
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:39 pm to RCDfan1950
The problem here is not God for the liberals, it is the interpretation of the term equal. If our founding documents hold that men are all equal then to liberals ( communist) that means everything should belong to the state and all people should get a "equal" share (fixed income/living wage).
Posted on 6/25/17 at 8:44 pm to Bass Tiger
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So, are we equal?
Of course not
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