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re: Why are/were US airlines flying to Liberia during an Ebola outbreak?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:12 pm to Volvagia
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:12 pm to Volvagia
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They started receiving Western treatment before leaving Africa. And they started receiving treatment when they first became symptomatic.
and in America if somebody is halfass aware of his/her symptoms they will too.
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Two isn't a large sample size, and Western medicine isn't batting .100 worldwide against it when you consider similar cases as ours in Europe.
no but like somebody said earlier we have the means to do an effective quarantine and isolation policies to stop an epidemic.
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Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:18 pm to inthemorning
This man did seek medical treatment early.
He was turned away with a false diagnosis.
How does that fit your narrative of a vaunted Western medicine where you just need to walk into the door and make the Ebola not be a problem anymore.
And it is especially disingenuous to say that all you need is to seek treatment when the disease has no established treatment.
So far the popular ways are: plasma from a survivor, ZMapp (which is reported to be out of stock), and certain medications for HIV infections. None of them other than ZMapp have anything other than antedoctal efficacy.
He was turned away with a false diagnosis.
How does that fit your narrative of a vaunted Western medicine where you just need to walk into the door and make the Ebola not be a problem anymore.
And it is especially disingenuous to say that all you need is to seek treatment when the disease has no established treatment.
So far the popular ways are: plasma from a survivor, ZMapp (which is reported to be out of stock), and certain medications for HIV infections. None of them other than ZMapp have anything other than antedoctal efficacy.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 1:21 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:24 pm to Volvagia
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How does that fit your narrative?
My narrative? Are you selling seeds and water filters like Alex Jones?
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He was turned away with a false diagnosis.
Was a mistake, but now everyone is on alert for haemorrhagic symptoms. I'm not sure, are you saying all medical professionals should be perfect?
There was no reason to suspect Ebola or Marburg at first. Don't stand on that mistake as if it contradicts my previous posts. It doesn't.
Western treatment is, if nothing else, going to greatly reduce the ability of it to spread. It only spreads from bodily fluids. But go on, if you want to buy the fear the media is selling go right ahead.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:24 pm to Volvagia
And just to be clear.....I don't think this Ebola issue to be a big deal.
It just amuses me all of these people who act like they have the threat of Ebola completely mapped out, and they are confident in the abilities of medicine in dealing with it to the point of being dismissive to any concerns.....and you probably couldn't even tell me what a filovirus is without Googling it.
It just amuses me all of these people who act like they have the threat of Ebola completely mapped out, and they are confident in the abilities of medicine in dealing with it to the point of being dismissive to any concerns.....and you probably couldn't even tell me what a filovirus is without Googling it.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:28 pm to inthemorning
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I'm not sure, are you saying all medical professionals should be perfect?
I'm not the one arguing that there is zero cause for concern, all I need to do if I become infected by Ebola is to go to a doctor.
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Was a mistake, but now everyone is on alert for haemorrhagic symptoms.
See my last post.
By the time you really show haemorrhagic symptoms, you are already dead.
With a last chance intermediate of petechia. But even that is pushing it.
Early stage Ebola...when medicine can most help you, looks no different from the cold or flu.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:31 pm to inthemorning
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The same outbreak in the USA wouldn't be nearly as bad d
so that makes it ok?
you proglibtards really believe this sh*t don't you.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:40 pm to inthemorning
I'm for banding all flights out and in to any country. that is having an contiguous. outbreak of ebola.Who wants to go thru being that sick?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:41 pm to WeeWee
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It is a virus that is transmitted through contact with infected fluids. Don't have unprotected sex with a liberian hooker or handle in bodily fluids you have nothing to worry about.
You describe Ebola like AIDS, but we know that it's a lot more contagious than AIDS because doctors and nurses are getting Ebola but you never hear of them catching AIDS, despite the fact that we have millions of people walking around with it. Doctors who treat AIDS patients only wear a mask, gloves and goggles, but doctors who treat Ebola patients wear space suits.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:46 pm to stormy
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I'm for banding all flights out and in to any country. that is having an contiguous. outbreak of ebola.Who wants to go thru being that sick?
you do realize all somebody would have to do is make a connecting flight in europe, don't you?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 1:47 pm to trackfan
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You describe Ebola like AIDS, but we know that it's a lot more contagious than AIDS because doctors and nurses are getting Ebola but you never hear of them catching AIDS, despite the fact that we have millions of people walking around with it. Doctors who treat AIDS patients only wear a mask, gloves and goggles, but doctors who treat Ebola patients wear space suits.
the person I directed that to is not a doctor and is not dealing with sick ebola patients.
ETA; I am not making a joke of ebola (because it is serious if you catch it) but some of yall are running around thinking this is the 2nd coming of the plague.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 1:56 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:08 pm to bhtigerfan
Media. and doctors are down playing the seriousnes of this out break. Who.is disinfecting the airlines seats of peoples sweat?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:09 pm to stormy
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Media. and doctors are down playing the seriousnes of this out break. Who.is disinfecting the airlines seats of peoples sweat?
oh wait, are you serious?
Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:19 pm to bhtigerfan
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I'm sorry, but I'm not buying that. Until they develop an effective vaccine, no one should be freely traveling to and from that area without strict oversight.
OK, lemme splain something to you people. This is a AIDS redux. Back in the day we did not allow people with a communicable disease to enter the U.S.
Then AIDS hit in the 80s because Ronald Reagan wouldn't say "AIDS." If he had said "AIDS" it would have ceased to exist.
But the AIDS advocates successfully lobbied to lift the ban of HIV positive travelers who wanted to come to the U.S.
The logic was as follows:
a. The US has the greatest capacity to cure the disease. This is before Obamacare.
b. The US citizenry must be mobilized to support research to find a cure. Most US citizens considered AIDS a self inflicted problem.
c. The people won't rally behind the movement unless AIDS hits the US really hard. Fear.
d. The more AIDS patients in the US the more research subjects available.
e. The more AIDS patients in the US the more international AIDS researchers will flock to the US.
Keep in mind, AIDS started in Africa. No one cared until it hit the developed world. Same thing with Ebola. There were Ebola outbreaks in Africa before. No one here cared. So, now we gonna care because it's in Dallas, Texas.
Any questions?
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 2:50 pm to bhtigerfan
If they stopped flights to a predominately black country, they might get called Racist.
So, the flights will go on.
See, this is how Libturdism works: it ends up hurting us, killing us or both.
Stop voting for the LibTurd Democrats.
So, the flights will go on.
See, this is how Libturdism works: it ends up hurting us, killing us or both.
Stop voting for the LibTurd Democrats.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 2:51 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 3:36 pm to bhtigerfan
Why do you hate free enterprise? NOW you think the government should intervene with all its petty regulators making rules about health care and how a corporation should be allowed to choose its customers.
The boards of directors of those airlines are the ones to make those decisions. They are answerable to the stockholders. If you don't like what they are doing, buy some stock and fire them.
The boards of directors of those airlines are the ones to make those decisions. They are answerable to the stockholders. If you don't like what they are doing, buy some stock and fire them.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:32 pm to tokenBoiler
Well, well, well, well, well... a little Clockwork Orange lingo. My post above has been proven correct.
Obama says No restrictions on Ebola carriers coming into the US
Zach nails it again.
Obama says No restrictions on Ebola carriers coming into the US
Zach nails it again.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 4:33 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:39 pm to Zach
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Well, well, well, well, well... a little Clockwork Orange lingo. My post above has been proven correct.
Obama says No restrictions on Ebola carriers coming into the US
Zach nails it again.
Sigh, you realize they screen at the African airports and people cannot transmit the disease unless they are showing the symptoms which can incubate for weeks. You also realize if we banned flights from Africa all they would have to do is fly over from Europe.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:49 pm to ForeverLurking
Can you read English?
The screenings didn't work. The screenings : "Hey, do you have Ebola?"
Answer: "No way."
Them: "Well go ahead to the US. Have a nice day."
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The White House said Wednesday it will not impose travel restrictions or introduce new airport screenings to prevent additional cases of Ebola from entering the United States.
The screenings didn't work. The screenings : "Hey, do you have Ebola?"
Answer: "No way."
Them: "Well go ahead to the US. Have a nice day."
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 4:52 pm
Posted on 10/1/14 at 4:59 pm to Zach
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The screenings didn't work. The screenings : "Hey, do you have Ebola?"
Answer: "No way."
Them: "Well go ahead to the US. Have a nice day."
There are only a few signs you can look for without a blood test and as of right now there is no point-of-care test. Again, if the White House imposed a flying ban do you think it would stop people from flying to Europe and then coming to the US?
If the White House stopped all flights to Africa you would create a thread about how anti business Obama is.
Posted on 10/1/14 at 5:08 pm to inthemorning
quote:It is the absolute certainty of your statement that makes me feel uneasy. I've found in life that often it is the gateway to catastrophe. For instance, when they wheeled the big horse into the gates of Troy, the Trojan experts said with absolute certainty, "We've whipped them Greeks!"
No, really. Its only a big deal in third world countries where medical care is non-existent. The same outbreak in the USA wouldn't be nearly as bad due to our medical system and Ebola when treated isn't as deadly as people think.
I think about the law of unintended consequences
I think about "Typhoid Mary"
I think about (and question) the competence of people actually in charge of health departments and health centers and especially clinics and ERs - like the ones in Dallas who gave the Ebola patient antibiotics, and sent him home - even when they knew he'd been to Liberia (and was in fact, a Liberian national)
I remember the assurances we and our parents were given by government officials back in the 1950s, that the "Duck and Cover" exercises would keep us mostly safe from an atomic attack - Watch this Bert the Turtle cartoon.
And I get a little bit uneasy, despite the assurances I read from the "experts" on message boards for LSU football/politics/OT, etc.
This post was edited on 10/1/14 at 5:09 pm
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