re: When did "exposing corruption" become "interfering with an election"??

I think you are proving my point quite nicely with your insistance on deflecting.

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But the timing and means of releasing the email was meant to influence the narrative of the election. Can you not see that fact?

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I don't necessarily disagree with this statement. However, the only information put out there were emails that a voter could read and judge on his/her own merit. If there was nothing in there why would the emails influence anything? Has the argument ever been put out there that the leakers manipulated the emails to some extent to report false information therein?

How is the release of the emails that much different than the timing of the release of the "47% video or the "grab them by the pussy" audio? Were those not released to "influence" the narrative of the elections?

The Russians did it, the "fake news", BS is just a litany of excuses fabricated by the D's and complicit mainstream media. The reason HRC lost is very, VERY, simple: The Democrats and HRC moved so far to the extreme left that they alienated a large group of mostly moderate people. They fueled the flames of racial divide; Championed causes of a very, very small majority of people (Transgenders, really?); made police officers out to be villains, and made excuses for illegal immigrants and Muslim terrorist, all while just assuming rural/suburban white folks in places like MI, WI, PA, NC, OH, would just automatically pull the lever for the "D" candidate as they always have.

The left has gone of the deep end with their victim creation and most moderate people felt/feel the left has lost their collective fricking minds. Many didn't like voting for Trump, but they felt it was a better option than the absurdity presented by the other side. The media and Democratic politicians are either too stupid or arrogant to realize it.

People aren't racist just because they support police officers. They aren't bigots because they think it's absurd that a biological male can be a "Woman" just because he says so. They aren't xenophopic just because they have a problem with people illegally immigrating to the country and enjoying many of the benefits without contributing to the pot. However, when you unduly label reasonable folks as such, don't be surprised when there response is a collective "frick you"

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I'm sure the Government of the Russian Federation did this in the interest of the American people.

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Begging the Question.

What, specifically are you claiming the "Government of the Federation of Russia" did?

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think you are proving my point quite nicely with your insistance on deflecting.

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if your point is that you are a hypocrite happy to oblige

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Even if it is substantiated that a "party insider" turned over anything at all, what about the rest?

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What about it? Here are the facts. We don't know exactly what was turned over by whom. We do know the information is factual and authentic.

At the end of the day I am more upset about the shady dealings and collusion by the American officials that WE put in office to represent us than I am of where the information came from. The "Russians" don't care about us. They don't respect us or our privacy and have no obligation to the American people.

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It certainly played a factor, if it would have all been thrown out at once, early on, it wouldn't have had the same impact.

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So what?? What does that have to do with anything?


*you do realize you're making a case against your own outrage at the "Russians"?*


EDIT: Its possible I misread the intent of your post.

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I think you are proving my point quite nicely with your insistance on deflecting.

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You're projecting again.

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Here are the facts.

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You wouldn't a fact if it smacked you in the face. Much of the leaked information was factual. But Podesta's e-mails were only a part of this cyber and influence operation.

The information/decision-making side is only half of this however. People are free to make up their minds based upon every fact, piece of information, or piece of disinformation available to them. And they did. No one with half a brain is arguing that the election was "hacked" or stolen. The American people took information obtained by illegalities and/or espionage and integrated it into their decision matrix. We've all done that. No problem.

But the actors who illegally obtained the information must still be held accountable when we can do so, and as "cyber" is this generation's domain of warfare, we may as well learn to fight it well.

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At the end of the day I am more upset about the shady dealings and collusion by the American officials that WE put in office to represent us than I am of where the information came from.

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I don't give a shite what you're upset about, Puck. I'm not upset. But this is going to go the way it's going to go.

The biggest irony and by far the most entertaining aspect of all this is the fact that what was uncovered in those emails shows it was actually the democrats themselves who tried to steal the election. Hell, they DID steal the primary from Bernie.