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re: When did "exposing corruption" become "interfering with an election"??
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:13 pm to Dale51
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:13 pm to Dale51
quote:So much of it was factual, Americans used it in their decision-making, and nothing is going to change the outcome of the election. If that's your only concern, you can shuffle right the frick along.
Actually, not very. It doesn't address the issue of factual information provided to the American people so they can make an informed decision on election day.
Some of us are concerned about the means to the end--especially when it comes foreign cyber warfare.
Full disclosure, I 100% understand why Trump doesn't want this to be a story two weeks before his inauguration. He'd be a fool to want to have to deal with anything that undermined his legitimacy or distracted from his team's preparations. I and most reasonable people don't question the legal legitimacy of the president-elect. But I'm not sweeping anything under the rug just to protect the political legitimacy. He has people who work in his political organization that get paid to do that.
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Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:13 pm to Navytiger74
quote:What were the other parts?
But Podesta's e-mails were only a part of this cyber and influence operation.
quote:Picking this hill to defend effectively ruins America's future at cyber warfare. Cube warfare is now political and always will be. Just like climate change is political because Al Gore made it a political talking point and now nothing substantial can be done about it even if it is real. Losing an election cannot be the catalyst to get serious about cyber warfare, especially when it wasn't even a factor in losing the election.
cyber" is this generation's domain of warfare, we may as well learn to fight it well.
quote:This way this is going to go is everyone one of these political appointee intelligence heads is going to be unemployed in about 2 weeks.
But this is going to go the way it's going to go.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:Well one part is an Army of internet trolls. Apropos, no?
What were the other parts?
quote:No. No. I don't agree.
Picking this hill to defend effectively ruins America's future at cyber warfare.
quote:Interference in the fundamentals of a nation's democratic processes is about as big as a cyber attack can get short of tanking an economy. And again, I don't know whether or not it changed the outcome, but Hillary's incompetence, poor record, and lazy campaigning were much bigger factors. That doesn't mean the influence portion isn't contemptible.
Losing an election cannot be the catalyst to get serious about cyber warfare, especially when it wasn't even a factor in losing the election.
quote:That was going to happen anyway. I love how you "small government" types put such faith in men of power that you think replacing a few GO/FOs and political appointees is going to right the world overnight.
This way this is going to go is everyone one of these political appointee intelligence heads is going to be unemployed in about 2 weeks.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:21 pm to GeorgeWest
quote:
Of course Trump and the Trumpkins are paranoid about their lack of a popular mandate and want to make this Russian attack on our sovereignty
Talk about delusion.
I didn't vote for Trump, but your comment above really and truly shows your ignorance.
You and your ilk have lost over 1,000 seats in every aspect of govt the last 8 years. Let that sink in.
If that's not a "popular mandate", I don't know what is.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:22 pm to rumproast
It's Dems turn for Watergate.
Our kids' kids will get a chuckle out of it just like we did with CR(EE)P.
Our kids' kids will get a chuckle out of it just like we did with CR(EE)P.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:29 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
Interference in the fundamentals of a nation's democratic processes is about as big as a cyber attack can get
That's the whole point of this thread. There is proof that the dems did this. Actual fricking proof. Not some made up boogeyman that the left keeps pushing. More attention is being put to who may have exposed the corruption than the actual corruption exposed.
quote:
Well one part is an Army of internet trolls
The paid army of internet dem trolls. The paid army of those sent out to cause violence at political opponents events?
In the end why would the "Russians" tip their hand if they had a security breach to exploit just to make sure Hillary didn't win? It makes no sense. And if they did; good. We now know of a breach that needs to be addressed and sealed.
quote:
That was going to happen anyway. I love how you "small government" types put such faith in men of power that you think replacing a few GO/FOs and political appointees is going to right the world overnight.
Well it's a start. You don't keep the known thief working the cash register and make deposits for you.
This post was edited on 1/5/17 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:32 pm to CaptainBrannigan
quote:
correpution exposed
Depends on the definition of the word "corruption" doesn't it?
How do you define it?
I find manipulation of information to benefit on side over the other..the leaking of debate questions to one person and not anyone else, to be a corrupting influence to free and fair elections. Lies..deceit..manipulation are..most always..corrupting courses of action. Don't you agree?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:35 pm to Dale51
quote:
the leaking of debate questions to one person and not anyone else, to be a corrupting influence to free and fair elections.
Is that it?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:36 pm to DoubleDown
quote:
Democrats are surely corrupt but if you're putting in some mean spirited emails and getting questions before a debate up there with genocide or chemical warfare
You seem to be conflating terms and attributing characteristics that don't match the terminology.
A "shitty person" has no similarities with tyrants or murderers, so your trying to connect them is weak.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:37 pm to Decatur
That's the big smoking gun.
Donna Brazile letting Hill know that someone from Flint was going to ask about the water.
The horror.
Donna Brazile letting Hill know that someone from Flint was going to ask about the water.
The horror.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:40 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
quote:
That's the big smoking gun. Donna Brazile letting Hill know that someone from Flint was going to ask about the water. The horror.
Yes. That's it! That's all it was!!
I hope you guys keep this up for four more years and lose another 1,000 seats nationally (if that's possible). And I say this as a former registered Democrat.
Grab a mic, get up on a pedestal, and keep preaching!
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:41 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
How ever would she have been prepared for that question without a heads up?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:41 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
Some of us are concerned about the means to the end--especially when it comes foreign cyber warfare.
Your concern is noted.
*Foreign cyber warfare*
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:45 pm to Navytiger74
quote:
Interference in the fundamentals of a nation's democratic processes is about as big as a cyber attack can get short of tanking an economy.
Thats some pro level drama queen stuff comin' off ya, right there.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:46 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
I guess someone needed to hack the private emails of the RNC and the Trump campaign since the "media wouldn't do it's job" to somehow get that information.
Am I doing this right?
Am I doing this right?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:49 pm to Decatur
quote:
Is that it?
How do you mean that? "Is that it?", as in a singular point, or "is that it?" as in is that all you've got?
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:50 pm to Dale51
quote:Your lack of understanding is noted. Into the bin you go.
Your concern is noted.
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:51 pm to Hugo Stiglitz
You're grasping for straws.
* you're not very good at this whole debate thing*
* you're not very good at this whole debate thing*
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:51 pm to Party At LSU
quote:
The biggest irony and by far the most entertaining aspect of all this is the fact that what was uncovered in those emails shows it was actually the democrats themselves who tried to steal the election. Hell, they DID steal the primary from Bernie.
But don't you see?!? According to the Proggies here there was NOTHING in those emails. No corruption!
Sad part is, what you listed above only scratches the surface of what the emails exposed....which further proves the point of the OP.
The Useful Idiots don't care about any of that. They never will. They lost and need an excuse. This is one of many. Forget all the corruption, media ties, rigged primaries, rigged debates, etc.
Look the other way instead!
Posted on 1/5/17 at 4:52 pm to Dale51
Fair enough.
Is that the most "corrupt" act implicated in all the emails?
Is that the most "corrupt" act implicated in all the emails?
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