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re: What is your best proposal to fix the student debt crisis?

Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by Stuttgart Tiger
Branson, MO
Member since Jan 2006
14651 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:54 pm to
First off...what crisis? You have people deciding to attend universitates and colleges knowing full well what they'll have to pay in tuition. These people are deciding on what they'll study and if they'll go on to Graduate School.

My son is a freshman this Fall. He could've stayed in Missouri and received more scholarship money. He wanted to go out-of-state so that expense is either on him or us, his parents.

All debts are paid. The debtor can pay off his/her debt or the creditor can pay it by forgiving the debt.
Posted by oldskule
Down South
Member since Mar 2016
15507 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:55 pm to
It is only a crisis for the lazy frickers who borrowed money with no intention of repaying!

DEMOCRATS ARE LOSERS!
Posted by tigerpawl
Can't get there from here.
Member since Dec 2003
22451 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:57 pm to
This get-out-of-jail-free card targets people whose voting decisions are easily swayed. Don't kid yourself. Chapter 2 of "How to legally Buy Votes". Chapter 1 was the Inflation Reduction Act.

The timing is soooo convenient, don't you think? Happy Midterms!!
Posted by alatxtgr
The Nation of Texas
Member since Sep 2006
2291 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 1:57 pm to
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What is your best proposal to fix the student debt crisis?
If you can’t pay the loan back, default and declare bankruptcy
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64476 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:02 pm to
Recalculating
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 2:11 pm
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
4172 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:04 pm to
Cancel the program. It’s obviously a colossal failure.
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
69186 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:08 pm to
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There's ways around that, like going private potentially getting a loan (or consolidate the debt) and paying off the federal debt that way, then that NEW loan could be bankruptable. But the govt put in very strict conditions over the years about making federal student loans almost impossible to bankrupt.



So the federal government on their student aid website is lying.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
64476 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:18 pm to
Facts from the link in the article-

For those who owe more than $40k in current balances-

Ages 25 to 49 owe 71% of all the debt.

That includes all of the millennials and a small subset of GenX.

This really is a millennial problem for the most part. Don't believe the shady cherry picked and inaccurate stats put together by "journalists".

Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162289 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:21 pm to
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Why is this not an option? It is with every other type of loan... It's what a loan is BY DEFINITION.

By definition these loans aren't the same as every other loan
Posted by deuceiswild
South La
Member since Nov 2007
4172 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:27 pm to
Why the actual frick do you think it matters what age group a borrower is in?
And why didn’t you post the percentage of people in each age group?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162289 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:28 pm to
I think a rational approach would be an opt in approach. If you want to pay your loans back as scheduled do so.

If you want your loan balance forgiven then fine. But your tax liability then goes up. Increase the federal income tax liability for anyone that wants their loans erased by 5 to 10% until the debt is settled. On 100% of income in any form.

Tax deferrals on things like 401k should be eliminated for people who have outstanding loan forgiveness and could be calculated into it as well.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13355 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:28 pm to
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By definition these loans aren't the same as every other loan


Hell they aren't. You take the money, you agree to pay it back. You don't sign on the dotted line saying you are on the hook for it, you don't get the money.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
65005 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:31 pm to
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And "just pay back your loans" is not an option.


Why not? “Just pay back your loan” is the solution for literally every other loan. Should my mortgage be forgiven? My vehicle payments? Give me a valid argument as to why student loan debt is somehow special and different from all other types of debt and thus should be “forgiven”.

Sidebar: the president doesn’t have the constitutional authority to “forgive” loans as though he was pardoning someone for a crime.only congress has the power of the purse.

Article I, Section 8, Clause 1
The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

Key words there are “The Congress shall have Power”. Notice how it doesn’t say jack shite about the president having the power to spend, much less spend $300,000,000?
Posted by BamaScoop
Panama City Beach, Florida
Member since May 2007
53940 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:37 pm to
Allow people to bankrupt on them!
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13355 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:42 pm to
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I think a rational approach would be an opt in approach. If you want to pay your loans back as scheduled do so.

If you want your loan balance forgiven then fine.


fricking clown world. How about an ACTUALLY rational opt in approach. If you are going to pay back the loan you get one. If you're not, you either don't get one, or you default on the loan, and get your credit fricked until you do?
This post was edited on 8/24/22 at 2:45 pm
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162289 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:47 pm to
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fricking clown world. How about an ACTUALLY rational opt in approach. If you are going to pay back the loan you get one. If you're not, you either don't get one, or you default on the loan, and get your credit fricked until you do?

You can't default on student loans which is what makes them different from other loans

How do you not know this?
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162289 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:49 pm to
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Hell they aren't. You take the money, you agree to pay it back. You don't sign on the dotted line saying you are on the hook for it, you don't get the money.
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Hell they aren't. You take the money, you agree to pay it back. You don't sign on the dotted line saying you are on the hook for it, you don't get the money.

You can't default on student loans you moron
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
162289 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:49 pm to
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Why the actual frick do you think it matters what age group a borrower is in?
And why didn’t you post the percentage of people in each age group?

Credit history might be a factor
Posted by Macavity92
Member since Dec 2004
5999 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:52 pm to
What crisis? Is the country falling apart? Or did people just make bad decisions?

There is no crisis.
Posted by cwill
Member since Jan 2005
54753 posts
Posted on 8/24/22 at 2:53 pm to
Raise standards at unis and beef up trade schools and encourage your marginal students to pursue a trade and not a marketing or gen studies degree.
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