re: What do you think of when you think 'Catholicism'?

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Tell me Rolltide, what carries more weight in the Catholic Church...the bible, or the dogma?

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That's a loaded question to be honest.

Rolltide, in bringing up '23 other Gospels', attempted to say that the Catholic Church decided which Gospels were included in the bible.

I'm telling him that Luke alluded to other 'accounts' of Jesus life...and then several decades later, John wrote an account that followed the exact same timeline and series of events as Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John. When you have 4 accounts harmonizing together, with no contradictions, and even complementing each other with details, than all the other accounts, which didn't even agree with secular history can be marked as fraudulent. A layman could spot it

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So because some pederast priest touched you, now you feel the need to denigrate all Catholics and every aspect of the religion?

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Furthermore, since that shite isn't true, he decided to study theology after the fact?

Lets get real here people.

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When you have 4 accounts harmonizing together, with no contradictions, and even complementing each other with details, than all the other accounts, which didn't even agree with secular history can be marked as fraudulent. A layman could spot it

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And you know this how?

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quote: Let's just say I had an experience I'll never forget, and we left 'the church'. So because some pederast priest touched you, now you feel the need to denigrate all Catholics and every aspect of the religion?

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I went to confession when I was 8, almost 9. I came with the same old BS, made up some stuff; I literally lied about lies lol. The man of faith on the other side decided to ask some probing questions. At first, not too bad. 'Have you kissed a girl' etc. not the stuff I would ask, but hey, I figured he was a priest, so whatever.

You can guess where this went. He asked if I had had sex, did I masturbate, was I attracted to boys, had anyone ever touched me in private areas. Basically, under the guise of confession, he was asking explicit, and describing explicit sexual acts, to an 8-tear old boy. I remember wetting my pants and my Mom being so mad at wanting to know what bad things I confessed, and hadn't told her that made me soil my clothes in confession. I guess she thought I had stolen from her or something.

When I told her the different things, acts, and suggestions the priest had made, all I know is she went back up there, and we never went there again.

Jazzy Jeff, if four accounts are describing and talking about the same person, but a fifth account is saying 'he had 5 children' with no children to be found, or a 6th account is saying 'he had 3 wives' with no wives anywhere, and yet another recounts an entire history across the globe, contradicting events between 29-33 CE...

...what would you conclude?

It is very easy to make up a story. It is next to impossible for 4 different men to write accounts of the same man, with the same important events, and complimentary details. Your mother, your brother, your best friend, and your wife may all have different accounts about your life. But core details will remain the same.

I don't and would never advise anyone to read the BS accounts out there. Most of them are lost ignominiously to history. But the ones you will find,myou will be quick to call BS immediately. It's largely nonsense

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Jazzy Jeff, if four accounts are describing and talking about the same person, but a fifth account is saying 'he had 5 children' with no children to be found, or a 6th account is saying 'he had 3 wives' with no wives anywhere, and yet another recounts an entire history across the globe, contradicting events between 29-33 CE...

...what would you conclude?

It is very easy to make up a story. It is next to impossible for 4 different men to write accounts of the same man, with the same important events, and complimentary details. Your mother, your brother, your best friend, and your wife may all have different accounts about your life. But core details will remain the same.

I don't and would never advise anyone to read the BS accounts out there. Most of them are lost ignominiously to history. But the ones you will find,myou will be quick to call BS immediately. It's largely nonsense

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And yet you still don't answer the question.

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The book of Hebrews was written by the Apostle Paul.

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There is no verifiable proof that Paul wrote the Book of Hebrews. Many early Church Fathers, including St. Jerome, doubted the Pauline authorship. Why?

1. It differs considerably from the style of his other letters.
2. It isn't signed by St. Paul. He makes his authorship clear in the other letters.

Some of the Early Fathers attributed it to St. Barnabas, but there is nothing in the text itself to corroborate that theory.

Bottom line, there is no concrete evidence linking the Letter to the Hebrews to the pen of St. Paul. Guess whose word we rely on when it comes to the authorship of Hebrews.

The Catholic Church.

The Catholic Church tells us that Paul wrote Hebrews and therefore the Catholic Church tells us that Hebrews is divinely inspired.

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--I'm sorry, but you will have to show me in the bible where we are directed to show reverence to Mary, a humble servant of God who was given the inestimable privilege of carrying the life of his son, Jesus Christ, until he was born. The references to her in the bible are few, but always her humility and meekness are highlighted. When did she become 'the mother of God'?

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Much of this stems from Luke 1:28. LINK

Mary has even revealed herself and requested that they pray the rosary for peace: The Apparitions of Our Lady of Fatima "Recite the rosary every day to obtain the peace for the world and the end of the war."

I wonder if this guy ever talks about the Qu'ran this way.