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re: Voter ID
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:57 am to AUX3
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:57 am to AUX3
quote:It's taboo right now because of the timing and obvious motivation behind its implementation in 2012. If it is enacted with a solid and thoughtful plan and does not go into effect a few months before a major election, it should be fine. And by "thoughtful" I mean giving every effort to make sure that every vote is counted. If a person doesn't have a photo ID at the polls they should still have every right to cast their vote provisionally.
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but why is having an ID to vote so taboo on the left?
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:57 am to mmcgrath
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It's taboo right now because of the timing and obvious motivation behind its implementation in 2012. If it is enacted with a solid and thoughtful plan and does not go into effect a few months before a major election, it should be fine. And by "thoughtful" I mean giving every effort to make sure that every vote is counted. If a person doesn't have a photo ID at the polls they should still have every right to cast their vote provisionally.
Agree completely.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:36 am to ChineseBandit58
quote:amen brother
Hell, I'd go for the 'purple thumb' solution. No cost at all. Show up and vote - ONCE. Also we need to restrict 'early voting' and 'absentee voting' to make sure that there is little capacity for fraud. AND - as for the DEMs stance on 'everyone gets to vote' you can tell where their real priorities are by looking at how they treat military voting. Our soldiers in foreign lands struggle to get their votes recorded because of all the barriers put up by DEMs. (could it be because THAT 'demographic' usually votes GOP? and the DEMs don't give a shite about THEIR voting?)
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:36 am to mmcgrath
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It's taboo right now because of the timing and obvious motivation behind its implementation in 2012
Timing..if it is a law that has it's premise carried out in an election, then it has to passed BEFORE elections.
Obvious motivation..do you mean disenfranchising certain voters? I'm all for this but not necessarily in the purest sense of the word. Every registered voter has a right to vote. They do not however, have a right to vote illegally. A legal vote is one cast by a registered voter in their residentially determined precinct.
I've NEVER voted where I didn't have to verify that I was who I claimed to be, so that they could determine that I was voting in the correct precinct.
Are opponents of this against producing ANY form of ID? Forgive me if I am naive, but is there a contention that some voters have ABSOLUTELY no way of verifying who they are? Are there those who are in such abject poverty, that even over the course of weeks, months, or years, they cannot obtain some form of identification?
Even if it is but a small number, isn't the integrity of elections worth erring on the side of caution?
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:40 am to OneFifty
the "the cost hurts the poor" line from earleir is such BS. a drivers license costs what? $25? and its good for 4 YEARS
6 bucks a year is hurting someone?
6 bucks a year is hurting someone?
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:40 am to AUX3
Ask them what they need to get on welfare. 
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:13 am to Scoop
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Because it makes voter fraud very difficult in majority black precincts, where Dems have free reign to stuff the boxes.
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:37 am to ShermanTxTiger
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Voter fraud is harder without an ID. You cant fly or cash a check
You can if you're from south of the border
Posted on 8/1/14 at 11:58 am to Gladius Veritas
It's ironic that your post calling others racist basically screams racism on your part.
Why don't you ask yourself why the Dems don't want it? To use your ignorant tactic, "Ee all know why. It's because they are the ones who benefit from voter fraud. If you don't agree, you are gullible and/or trying to spin it."
And replacing "poor" with black doesn't really help you. I am sure you've celebrated in threads on this board that say that people in red states are poorer than those in blue states. So if the majority of people in a poor state vote Republican, wouldn't that indicate that the poor is made up of Republicans more than Democrats?
So, racist, who is benefiting from the mitigation of voter fraud risk, if not for America? Which party does it hurt, in your opinion, and how?
Why don't you ask yourself why the Dems don't want it? To use your ignorant tactic, "Ee all know why. It's because they are the ones who benefit from voter fraud. If you don't agree, you are gullible and/or trying to spin it."
And replacing "poor" with black doesn't really help you. I am sure you've celebrated in threads on this board that say that people in red states are poorer than those in blue states. So if the majority of people in a poor state vote Republican, wouldn't that indicate that the poor is made up of Republicans more than Democrats?
So, racist, who is benefiting from the mitigation of voter fraud risk, if not for America? Which party does it hurt, in your opinion, and how?
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:05 pm to Gladius Veritas
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Gladius Veritas
Why is it that people and groups like you bring the argument that voting ID requirements are racist yet never do anything to alleviate the problem? In almost all states, people that can't afford an ID, can either get them for free or at a ridiculously low price. Groups like the NAACP always piss and moan about how it's some giant conspiracy to prevent people of color from voting yet they do absolutely nothing to try and get their oppressed brethren some sort of legal identification.
You want to know why these groups don't lift a finger to help the people they claim to be representing? It's because they won't have that card to play in the future. Their entire existence is solely based on the idea of oppression and wrong-doing. If that idea or premise is gone, they no longer exist so it behooves them to continue to perpetuate the myth that having an ID is oppressive.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:09 pm to upgrayedd
its discouraging voting IMHO. It affects only a small handful of people but I don't see why they shouldn't be able to vote.
I think the purple thumb trick is a perfect solution, if you are worried about fraud.
I think the purple thumb trick is a perfect solution, if you are worried about fraud.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:14 pm to Hawkeye95
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its discouraging voting IMHO. It affects only a small handful of people but I don't see why they shouldn't be able to vote.
I think the purple thumb trick is a perfect solution, if you are worried about fraud.
I disagree. It gives certain groups an easy excuse to claim oppression. If they were smart hey would fight fire with fire and get people ID's. In this day and age when ID fraud is so rampant, this defense holds no water, especially when ID's are required for just about every function of modern day life.
As for the finger staining. I think it's a possibility but it probably is more effective in third world countries with little to no infrastructure.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:15 pm to Hawkeye95
Not having a voting booth in every home is discouraging voting, using your logic. After all, your like minded hog friend has said that people without cars are discriminated against with ID laws. Why doesn't that apply for actual voting? 
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:20 pm to GRTiger
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Not having a voting booth in every home is discouraging voting, using your logic. After all, your like minded hog friend has said that people without cars are discriminated against with ID laws. Why doesn't that apply for actual voting?
I also find it a little vexing that certain groups can run busing operations to ensure people can get to the polls yet can't figure out how to bring them to the DMV to get an ID.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:28 pm to Gladius Veritas
You need an ID to get a job, apply for food stamps, receive government funding, drive a car, cash a check, enter a bar/club, buy cigarettes, buy alcohol, and many other things. But you think these "poor" people can't get an ID to vote because it's too expensive. Get real.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 12:51 pm to Aristo
There are a number of older people, especially blacks, that don't even have a birth certificate. Many have gotten through life without an ID. I agree it's hard to imagine doing so, but people have done it.
I don't really have a problem with Voter ID so long as it doesn't preclude anyone that is eligible to vote from voting, and it doesn't put an undue burden on anyone to obtain an ID. I'd rather we just go to a national ID, but that's just me. When you have states propose Voter ID laws that allow one to use a concealed carry permit, but not a student ID from a state university, you can't tell me the laws aren't targeting specific voting blocs.
I don't really have a problem with Voter ID so long as it doesn't preclude anyone that is eligible to vote from voting, and it doesn't put an undue burden on anyone to obtain an ID. I'd rather we just go to a national ID, but that's just me. When you have states propose Voter ID laws that allow one to use a concealed carry permit, but not a student ID from a state university, you can't tell me the laws aren't targeting specific voting blocs.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:10 pm to The Spleen
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There are a number of older people, especially blacks, that don't even have a birth certificate. Many have gotten through life without an ID. I agree it's hard to imagine doing so, but people have done it.
That is a very, very small percentage and is the exception, not the norm, so that can't e be used as some sort of rallying cry.
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When you have states propose Voter ID laws that allow one to use a concealed carry permit, but not a student ID from a state university, you can't tell me the laws aren't targeting specific voting blocs.
One allows you to carry a weapon in public and also requires proof of govt-approved training as well as fingerprints, the other allows you to get into sporting events and get discounts. Also, CC permits are connected to a much larger database than a state university ID. There is definitely a difference.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:27 pm to upgrayedd
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That is a very, very small percentage and is the exception, not the norm, so that can't e be used as some sort of rallying cry.
Maybe so, but if it prevents just one person from legally casting a vote, then I am against it.
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One allows you to carry a weapon in public and also requires proof of govt-approved training as well as fingerprints, the other allows you to get into sporting events and get discounts. Also, CC permits are connected to a much larger database than a state university ID. There is definitely a difference.
Both are photo ID's that are issued by government agencies. What they actually allow the holder to do with it shouldn't matter. It was Texas that proposed that, and luckily I'm pretty sure the concealed carry permit was struck from the bill before it passed.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:35 pm to AUX3
You kind of know what its all about when the term Voter ID is being twisted into "Voter Supression." Its a buzzword that is intended to cause fear among the bases that democrats rely on. Just like the "War on Women."
Its funny, the left will go to war to construct as many obstacles as possible between you and purchasing a gun...which is a Constituational right. Yet they see a Voter ID as Apartheid. Go Figure.
Its funny, the left will go to war to construct as many obstacles as possible between you and purchasing a gun...which is a Constituational right. Yet they see a Voter ID as Apartheid. Go Figure.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:36 pm to The Spleen
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When you have states propose Voter ID laws that allow one to use a concealed carry permit, but not a student ID from a state university
There is only enough information on a student ID for the issuing school to be able to confirm the identity (i.e. name, pic and school ID number). There is no ID number controlled by the state, address, or any other secondary ID validation. Voting locations would need to have the student's school ID number on file to be able to confirm identity. Otherwise, student Joe Smith could vote using his student ID, and then vote using his DL, and they wouldn't be able to know if it was the same person.
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