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re: Voter ID
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:41 am to ShermanTxTiger
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:41 am to ShermanTxTiger
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Just so you know you brought up race
Yes, I know I did. And I know you guys are intentionally avoiding it
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Sounds to me like you have more than an ID problem.
sounds to me like you can't put 2 and 2 together
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:42 am to Gladius Veritas
What if the id is free?
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:42 am to ShermanTxTiger
You guys have any stats on voter fraud? If it's really that big of an issue to warrant these laws then I'd love to see some numbers
Posted on 8/1/14 at 1:45 am to BBONDS25
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What if the id is free?
Study from the same Center I linked earlier
(From the Foreword of the linked study) -
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Federal courts have previously declared that states with restrictive voter ID laws must make the necessary paperwork available for free. Problem solved? Hardly. This report conclusively demonstrates that this promise of free voter ID is a mirage. In the real world, poor voters find shuttered offices, long drives without cars, and with spotty or no bus service, and sometimes prohibitive costs. For these Americans, the promise of our democracy is tangibly distant. It can be measured in miles.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 2:39 am to Gladius Veritas
Nobody ever bitches about having identification to receive government benefits but holy shite you ask a person to have some type of identification to vote and you would think we have armed guards pistol whipping people waiting to cast a ballot
Posted on 8/1/14 at 4:56 am to AUX3
Because Democrats think that blacks are too lazy, stupid, and ignorant to figure out the VERY SIMPLE task of obtaining a FREE state-issued ID.
And then they use the race card to call Republicans racist in their very next sentence.
And then they use the race card to call Republicans racist in their very next sentence.
This post was edited on 8/1/14 at 5:14 am
Posted on 8/1/14 at 5:05 am to AUX3
It costs money to get an ID. Phones are free.
Federal courts have previously declared that states with restrictive voter ID laws must make the necessary paperwork available for free. Problem solved? Hardly. This report conclusively demonstrates that this promise of free voter ID is a mirage. In the real world, poor voters find shuttered offices, long drives without cars, and with spotty or no bus service, and sometimes prohibitive costs. For these Americans, the promise of our democracy is tangibly distant. It can be measured in miles.
More busing is needed to equal out the disadvantaged.
These folks can live for years without making an effort to get ID until confronted with the need to have one. The same folks find their way to the HRS office, the unemployment office to get checks, the store to spend EBT without ID, can get to free phones, food bank, and on and on. Oh, and most do not walk they ride.
Federal courts have previously declared that states with restrictive voter ID laws must make the necessary paperwork available for free. Problem solved? Hardly. This report conclusively demonstrates that this promise of free voter ID is a mirage. In the real world, poor voters find shuttered offices, long drives without cars, and with spotty or no bus service, and sometimes prohibitive costs. For these Americans, the promise of our democracy is tangibly distant. It can be measured in miles.
More busing is needed to equal out the disadvantaged.
These folks can live for years without making an effort to get ID until confronted with the need to have one. The same folks find their way to the HRS office, the unemployment office to get checks, the store to spend EBT without ID, can get to free phones, food bank, and on and on. Oh, and most do not walk they ride.
This post was edited on 8/1/14 at 5:13 am
Posted on 8/1/14 at 5:09 am to North Texas Tiger
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Nobody ever bitches about having identification to receive government benefits but holy shite you ask a person to have some type of identification to vote and you would think we have armed guards pistol whipping people waiting to cast a ballot
Everybody knows that this is all about voter fraud. But even with a voter ID, there will still be forged signatures and false votes in the crooked, corrupt Democrat precincts. They know who will not show up to vote and the Dem crooks will vote for them.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 5:13 am to themunch
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It costs money to get an ID. Phones are free
North Carolina not only provided FREE state issued ID cards, they also provided FREE taxi cabs for people on public assistance to get those cards.
Eric "the racist" Holder still sued the state.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 5:26 am to Gladius Veritas
quote:so these people never leave their home? ever? not even to vote?
For these Americans, the promise of our democracy is tangibly distant. It can be measured in miles.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 5:41 am to Gladius Veritas
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If it really was about stopping fraud then you'd think support would be pretty universal, right? Instead, it's almost exclusively pushed by Republicans.
DEMs have lived off voter fraud for generations - to them it is an entitlement. In my lifetime JFK was the first POTUS to be elected by the overwhelming number of dead people who voted for him.
This is very simple. DEMs ensure election advantages by massive voter fraud. Being able to stuff ballot boxes in minority districts is their bread and butter. Nobody can deny this with a straight face.
This is the primary reason the DEMs are so adamant about bringing in more Mexican and Central American aliens. IF there were no possibility of those folks being able to "vote" the DEMs wouldn't care one whit about their fate.
The entire agenda of the DEM party is to acquire an electoral advantage from the most vulnerable of society. They manufacture a dysfunctional culture in the black community that looks to them for their daily sustenance and they import from other countries an contenting string of reliable 'voters' to ensure DEM control at the ballot boxes.
Any sane approach to making sure that only registered voters could vote would be an impediment to DEM political strategy.
The fact that no DEM will even contemplate protecting the ballot box from fraud is the larger issue.
WHO can be against honest elections???
Posted on 8/1/14 at 5:48 am to ChineseBandit58
Make ID's free if you make below a certain amount
Problem solved and the USA makes voting fraud tougher
Very simple fix........
Make it happen Washington
Chances are, the Bill is probally sitting on Harry Reids desk
Problem solved and the USA makes voting fraud tougher
Very simple fix........
Make it happen Washington
Chances are, the Bill is probally sitting on Harry Reids desk
Posted on 8/1/14 at 5:56 am to SquirrelyBama
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Make ID's free if you make below a certain amount
Hell, I'd go for the 'purple thumb' solution. No cost at all. Show up and vote - ONCE.
Also we need to restrict 'early voting' and 'absentee voting' to make sure that there is little capacity for fraud.
AND - as for the DEMs stance on 'everyone gets to vote' you can tell where their real priorities are by looking at how they treat military voting. Our soldiers in foreign lands struggle to get their votes recorded because of all the barriers put up by DEMs. (could it be because THAT 'demographic' usually votes GOP? and the DEMs don't give a shite about THEIR voting?)
Posted on 8/1/14 at 6:31 am to ChineseBandit58
That's part of the bigger problem........
Both parties care more about winning than doing what's right for everyone. I'd be nice if both parties just let the cards fall where they might land in elections, but boths sides have to manipulate things. Especially the leadership within the democratic party these days, they're out of control. All this probally snowballed over the years with one party trying to up the other one. Suppose it's sorta like when a rivalry becomes to intense in sports. Boths sides have lost sight when it comes to going about things with honor. For this Nations sake, someone needs to be the better person from either party. We'll be the reason we fail, and no one else will hold blame for America's failures......
Having ID's while voting is a no brainer
Shoot, blue dye on the finger tip will do too........
Both parties care more about winning than doing what's right for everyone. I'd be nice if both parties just let the cards fall where they might land in elections, but boths sides have to manipulate things. Especially the leadership within the democratic party these days, they're out of control. All this probally snowballed over the years with one party trying to up the other one. Suppose it's sorta like when a rivalry becomes to intense in sports. Boths sides have lost sight when it comes to going about things with honor. For this Nations sake, someone needs to be the better person from either party. We'll be the reason we fail, and no one else will hold blame for America's failures......
Having ID's while voting is a no brainer
Shoot, blue dye on the finger tip will do too........
This post was edited on 8/1/14 at 6:33 am
Posted on 8/1/14 at 6:47 am to Gladius Veritas
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You can replace "black" with "poor" if you want
If we use the term "poor" or someone living in what is defined as "poverty" your argument falls apart according to the numbers.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:18 am to Paluka
My wife and I lost everything when she got her disease and couldn't walk anymore 10-12 yrs ago. In many situations, we needed our ID's to get help from goverment programs locally. So this arguement of asking the poor to have ID's to vote. Is wrong and that poor ID argument loses all weight with us. We lived it and if it's a rule to have ID's before one can live in disable housing. Someone asking for ID's while voting isn't asking to much of the poor. We had to have ID's for other goverment & local city assitance too. Thank goodness for this assistance because it helped us back on our feet again. Was very blessed indeed and were thankful for that help.
I can't help but think the only other reason to not want ID's while voting. Is someone wants the status-quo to stay the same. What party doesn't want things to change with voting ID's? A child could put 1+1=2 here, and if party bias wasn't involved. We all could have a real conversation about this. Voter Fraud is real and this American just wants straight up elections. What's so bad about that? Where the results end up is OK by me..........
I can't help but think the only other reason to not want ID's while voting. Is someone wants the status-quo to stay the same. What party doesn't want things to change with voting ID's? A child could put 1+1=2 here, and if party bias wasn't involved. We all could have a real conversation about this. Voter Fraud is real and this American just wants straight up elections. What's so bad about that? Where the results end up is OK by me..........
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:51 am to Gladius Veritas
Big Racist voter suppressor
Who would have known one of the biggest humanitarian leader's in the past century was in reality a bigoted racist who wanted to suppress voters rights!! I mean how dare Nelson Mandela demand his people have an ID to vote, if anybody should have realized what a racist suppressive practice this was, it would be Mandela! What an outrage!!
Who would have known one of the biggest humanitarian leader's in the past century was in reality a bigoted racist who wanted to suppress voters rights!! I mean how dare Nelson Mandela demand his people have an ID to vote, if anybody should have realized what a racist suppressive practice this was, it would be Mandela! What an outrage!!
This post was edited on 8/1/14 at 8:00 am
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:55 am to bigbowe80
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I mean how dare Nelson Mandela demand his people have an ID to vote,
Probably used to to suppress white voters -
Did I get that right?
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:12 am to AUX3
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why is having an ID to vote so taboo on the left?
Because in-person voter fraud is still pretty rare, and that is usually the only type of voting voter ID laws addresses. Think about it, what is the incentive versus the risk of going to the polls to illegally cast a vote in someone else's name? Sure, it's probably a bigger problem in smaller, local elections. So it's throwing a solution at a virtually non-existent problem, and the solution potentially disenfranchises voters. Voters that historically vote Democratic.
The bigger problem is election fraud and both parties are guilty as hell of election fraud. Neither want to do anything about that though.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:30 am to ChineseBandit58
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AND - as for the DEMs stance on 'everyone gets to vote' you can tell where their real priorities are by looking at how they treat military voting.
*boom*
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