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re: Trump tells Time he wouldn't have appointed Sessions if he knew he would recuse himself
Posted on 7/19/17 at 8:51 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 7/19/17 at 8:51 pm to buckeye_vol
Just checked the timeline.
Sessions was announced as the AG pick on November 18th.
Trump picks Sessions for attorney general
Sessions was confirmed (accepted well before), on February 8th.
Jeff Sessions Confirmed as Attorney General, Capping Bitter Battle
And he recused himself on March 2nd.
Attorney General Sessions Statement on Recusal
Why is he doing this? It's one thing to criticize the recusal, but this is going beyond that.
Sessions was announced as the AG pick on November 18th.
Trump picks Sessions for attorney general
Sessions was confirmed (accepted well before), on February 8th.
Jeff Sessions Confirmed as Attorney General, Capping Bitter Battle
And he recused himself on March 2nd.
Attorney General Sessions Statement on Recusal
quote:Sessions issues didn't present themselves until after confirmation. So Trump's criticism makes no sense, and he's not only saying it was a mistake, he's basically calling Sessions a liar--even though it's illogical because the timeline is easily verifiable.
During the course of the last several weeks, I have met with the relevant senior career Department officials to discuss whether I should recuse myself from any matters arising from the campaigns for President of the United States.
Why is he doing this? It's one thing to criticize the recusal, but this is going beyond that.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 8:59 pm
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 8:57 pm to jonboy
quote:No it's not. Trump nominated him in November:
It's one and the same.
Trump picks Sessions for attorney general
Hearings began in January and he was confirmed in early February. So all of those conversations that Trump is discussing before he took the job, occured months before he recused himself.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 8:58 pm to buckeye_vol
Trump is pissed that Sessions blew his testimony regarding meetings with Russians and felt the need to recuse rather than stand up for himself and declare himself free of any conflicts - he definitely put trump on an island with respect to the prospect to the DOJ opening the Russia issue to a special prosecutor. I personally respect sessions but definitely felt that he didn't do himself or trump any favors with his dementia in answering questions before the confirmation committee . He was almost as illucid as McCain in some of his recent public hearings - both are getting old, but as it now is apparent McCain had a legitimate excuse for his lack of cognitive thinking. Sessions screw up doesn't inspire confidence in someone leading the entire department of justice.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:01 pm to LSU Patrick
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LSU Patrick
lol
I am also unhappy about the war on drugs, asset forfeiture & recusal
having said that, it is unfair of Trump to throw Sessions under the bus
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:03 pm to TiggerB8t
quote:And that is a fair criticism, although people were defending him when the left was criticizing it.
rump is pissed that Sessions blew his testimony regarding meetings with Russians
quote:Well remember, it's not just a conflict, the DOJ guidlines specify that one should consider recusal if there is an APPEARANCE of a conflict.
felt the need to recuse rather than stand up for himself and declare himself free of any conflicts
quote:And the special prosecutor wasn't even an issue until months later, when Trump fired Comey, then decided to admit that it was about Russia rather than the official statement. And it's not like Rosenstein who assumed the lead and appointed Mueller, is known as some dishonest hack who lacks honesty and integrity.
he definitely put trump on an island with respect to the prospect to the DOJ opening the Russia issue to a special prosecutor.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 9:05 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:05 pm to Cali 4 LSU
Sessions doesn't have the balls to be trumps AG in this current environment in DC. He's a nice guy .....Trumps doesn't need a nice guy. The climate in DC calls calls for a prick that gives zero fricks. Time to bring on the heavy hitters. Rudy Giuliani, Ted Cruz, dare I say Christy?
Also after the repeal failure....time to dump swamp beta male Reince and bring on Newt!
Also after the repeal failure....time to dump swamp beta male Reince and bring on Newt!
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 9:07 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:05 pm to buckeye_vol
That appearance word you use. How does that apply to Mr. Mueller? Asking for a friend.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:06 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:hell, i wouldn't have either and i like sessions
uldn't have appointed Sessions
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:06 pm to buckeye_vol
Loretta Lynch sure didn't recuse herself did she? I think Trump is figuring out just how cut throat this deal is.
IMO fight fire with fire. Scorched earth. Bring in someone that will kick arse and take names.
IMO fight fire with fire. Scorched earth. Bring in someone that will kick arse and take names.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:06 pm to TiggerB8t
That being said, Trump could clarify this by explaining that his frustration with Sessions was not with his loyalty or integrity, but more of failing miserably in his own confirmation hearing and then running from his responsibilities by refusing himself......in essence, having the balls to defend his own integrity and do his job on "all things Russian".
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:11 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:It depends. If Comey is a major part of the investigation, then he should recuse himself, at least recuse himself from that part of it. But the DOJ guidelines mention that personal relationships, other than family, are not necessarily conflicts of interest. Otherwise, anybody in the DOJ would have a conflict of interest since their boss's administration is apart of it. Sessions didn't recuse himself because of any relationship with the parties involved, he recused himself because his poor testimony gave the appearance of a personal conflict regarding the investigation itself (i.e., as if he was investigating himself).
That appearance word you use. How does that apply to Mr. Mueller? Asking for a friend.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:12 pm to antibarner
quote:This is a good point. Instead of throwing Sessions under the bus, he could focus on how much more ethical his administration is regarding investigations. Make his appointees look good, and the previous administration's look bad. Now he's just making his own appointees look bad instead.
Loretta Lynch sure didn't recuse herself did she? I think Trump is figuring out just how cut throat this deal is.
And now he's basically arguing that his own supporters and associates are part of the witchhunt.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 9:15 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:15 pm to Bison
quote:
Recuse just means that theres a conflict of interest. Not an admission of guilt by any means.
How in the world did he have a conflict of interest? Per your example:
quote:
It's like if a judge was presiding over a case where their spouse/friend was accused of a crime. The clerk of court randomly assigns cases to each judge, if the judge knows one of the defendents or plantiffs in a case he/she was assigned personally, the procedure is to recuse the case so that it may be assigned to another judge. It happens all them time. Doesnt mean that they feel their friend/spouse is guilty, it is simply the procedure to follow in terms of "ethics", which is an important set of terms for attorneys to abide by. Sessions understands that since its common knowledge he meet w/ Russian officals, let some one check for them selves that no unethical collusion took place. That's the only way to get truly clear of the scandal
Obama's administration was all up in the "conflict of interest" realm. Hell, they were more than that: obstructionist, criminal, & more. So now Sessions worries about a "conflict of interest" that doesn't exist?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:15 pm to buckeye_vol
So now you cite guidelines about what is a conflict, and the part about appearance of conflict is no longer valid? Interesting thought process.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:21 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:We went through this a month ago. The DOJ has guidelines regarding conflict of interest and personal relationships. It even specifies that non-family relationships are not inherently a conflict of interest. I mean up until Trump threw Sessions under the bus, I thought they had a personal relationship--and maybe they did. But that wasn't enough to recuse himself; it was the the result of the testimony.
So now you cite guidelines about what is a conflict, and the part about appearance of conflict is no longer valid? Interesting thought process.
Furthermore, Sessions (and Rudy) already advocated for Lynch's recusal so they (rightfully) set up a standard for ethical decisions.
Giuliani, Sessions, Keating, et al: Time for Loretta Lynch to appoint a Special Counsel
Besides, it's his and the Trump administration's DOJ. So when he recused himself, I'm sure he believed (probably still does) that it was in good hands.
This whole thing wasn't much of an issue until months later anyways.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:23 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:Right. This should be presented as a good thing. That Trump's administration and DOJ holds themselves to a higher standard, and they are willing to put politics aside to ensure the truth is revealed.
Obama's administration was all up in the "conflict of interest" realm. Hell, they were more than that: obstructionist, criminal, & more. So now Sessions worries about a "conflict of interest" that doesn't exist?
Instead, he's throwing a person who held himself to the same higher standard they advocated for, under the bus. Worse yet, he's saying that Sessions knew he would recuse himself when that doesn't fit the timeline.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 9:26 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:26 pm to buckeye_vol
You first cite DOJ regulations about recusal for even the "appearance" of a conflict.
I ask about Mueller's "appearance" of a conflict.
Your response is that per DOJ guidelines it isn't a conflict, and completely ignore the appearance part you first brought up.
You don't see obvious logical flaw in your contradicting statements?
I ask about Mueller's "appearance" of a conflict.
Your response is that per DOJ guidelines it isn't a conflict, and completely ignore the appearance part you first brought up.
You don't see obvious logical flaw in your contradicting statements?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:32 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:I'm saying that the DOJ guidelines specifically address personal relationships:
You first cite DOJ regulations about recusal for even the "appearance" of a conflict.
I ask about Mueller's "appearance" of a conflict.
Your response is that per DOJ guidelines it isn't a conflict, and completely ignore the appearance part you first brought up.
You don't see obvious logical flaw in your contradicting statements?
28 CFR 45.2 - Disqualification arising from personal or political relationship.
quote:I'm saying that everybody in the DOJ has a personal relationship with Trump, because he is their boss, and in some cases a friend. So it would illogical and impractical to expect every person to recuse oneself.
(2)Personal relationship means a close and substantial connection of the type normally viewed as likely to induce partiality. An employee is presumed to have a personal relationship with his father, mother, brother, sister, child and spouse. Whether relationships (including friendships) of an employee to other persons or organizations are “personal” must be judged on an individual basis with due regard given to the subjective opinion of the employee.
And in Sessions case, that personal relationship (seemed like a friendship even), wasn't enough to cause him to recuse himself. So then Mueller having a professional relationship with Comey shouldn't either, especially recusal from the entire investigation. He could (and maybe should) allow others on his team to focus on that part though.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 9:33 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:35 pm to buckeye_vol
quote:
Well remember, it's not just a conflict, the DOJ guidlines specify that one should consider recusal if there is an APPEARANCE of a conflict.
Agreed, kind of like Lynch and Comey...take your pick right?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:36 pm to larry289
quote:Lynch should probably have recused herself. Again. Why not highlight that his administration functions so much more ethically and non-politically, rather than throwing those people who are acting in that manner under the bus?
Agreed, kind of like Lynch and Comey...take your pick right?
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 9:37 pm
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