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re: Trump tells Time he wouldn't have appointed Sessions if he knew he would recuse himself
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:39 pm to buckeye_vol
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:39 pm to buckeye_vol
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And the special prosecutor wasn't even an issue until months later, when Trump fired Comey,
I believe this to not be true as it was spoken of by the left well before the firing.
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Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:40 pm to buckeye_vol
Sometimes DJT does some bone headed things. Everyone knows that.
There is a bigger issue here however, and you don't get to selectively apply appearance of conflict on the one hand, but in another case it needs to be an actual conflict.
Good God man, I'm not even defending DJT, I'm just trying to figure out how you can twist yourself in so many opposite directions without causing bodily injury.
There is a bigger issue here however, and you don't get to selectively apply appearance of conflict on the one hand, but in another case it needs to be an actual conflict.
Good God man, I'm not even defending DJT, I'm just trying to figure out how you can twist yourself in so many opposite directions without causing bodily injury.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:41 pm to themunch
quote:They would have asked for a special prosecutor no matter what. If Mueller's investigation doesn't turn up what they want, they'll probably advocate for another one, maybe even want Mueller himself included.
I believe this to not be true as it was spoken of by the left well before the firing.
Let's not base our reality on the the histrionics of the other side.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:46 pm to buckeye_vol
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No it's not. Trump nominated him in November:
Irrelevant. Trump is pissed because Sessions looked like amateur hour regarding Russia thencalled the WH to inform them of his recusal, hung up the phone and held a press conference. He gave the WH zero heads up, time to prepare, possible alternatives, nothing. Trump can't fire him or accept his resignation because of Sessions loyalty and the political BS associated with anything Russia related. If you were in Trump's shoes you would feel like you were deceived too.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:49 pm to Iowa Golfer
quote:I'm saying that Sessions recusal wasn't a result of a personal relationship, although you could argue anybody and everybody in his DOJ has an appearance based on that alone. But that is impractical and unnecessary.
There is a bigger issue here however, and you don't get to selectively apply appearance of conflict on the one hand, but in another case it needs to be an actual conflict.
In fact, I'm sure pretty much anybody qualified to be high up in the DOJ or a special prosecutor, is probably going to have some personal relationship with somebody in an investigation of politically connected people.
So at some point, the appearance has to have some standard and substantive basis regarding the integrity of the investigation because if those who don't like an investigation, can find something on anybody to argue an "appearance." In that case, appearance is a pointless term if everybody has an appearance based on such a low standard.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 9:51 pm to jonboy
quote:But he's not arguing that; he's arguing something else. Maybe it's both, but he's arguing that Sessions didn't tell him he would recuse himself, months before it became an issue.
Irrelevant. Trump is pissed because Sessions looked like amateur hour regarding Russia thencalled the WH to inform them of his recusal, hung up the phone and held a press conference.
Here is part of the transcript: Excerpts From The Times’s Interview With Trump
So why are you arguing that Trump is mad about something, when Trump is arguing he is mad about something else?
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 9:53 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:04 pm to buckeye_vol
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Maybe it's both, but he's arguing that Sessions didn't tell him he would recuse himself, months before it became an issue.
Uh, there was an ongoing Russia investigation. The AG or AG nominee would know he had to recuse himself one way or another.
quote:
BAKER: Was that a mistake?
TRUMP: Well, Sessions should have never recused himself, and if he was going to recuse himself, he should have told me before he took the job, and I would have picked somebody else.
HABERMAN: He gave you no heads up at all, in any sense?
TRUMP: Zero. So Jeff Sessions takes the job, gets into the job, recuses himself. I then have — which, frankly, I think is very unfair to the president. How do you take a job and then recuse yourself? If he would have recused himself before the job, I would have said, “Thanks, Jeff, but I can’t, you know, I’m not going to take you.” It’s extremely unfair, and that’s a mild word, to the president. So he recuses himself. I then end up with a second man, who’s a deputy.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:07 pm to Seldom Seen
How badly did you flunk civics?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 10:13 pm to jonboy
quote:No he wouldn't have. The issue of recusal didn't become the issue until it was revealed that Sessions omitted some meetings with a Russian diplomat in his confirmation hearings. That was what led to the recusal, not because of the existence of the investigation itself.
Uh, there was an ongoing Russia investigation. The AG or AG nominee would know he had to recuse himself one way or another.
And that happened about 3 months after Trump announced sessions as his AG nominee. Trump is arguing that Sessions didn't give him notice of the recusal when he accepted the nomination, which doesn't make sense.
This post was edited on 7/19/17 at 10:14 pm
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:02 pm to buckeye_vol
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This should be presented as a good thing.
How is it good when Sessions should NOT have recused. There was NO conflict of interest!
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Instead, he's throwing a person who held himself to the same higher standard they advocated for, under the bus
Again, there was NO conflict of interest!
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:17 pm to Cali 4 LSU
You couldn't pay me to work for Trump. Dudes such a POS and unloyal to everybody around him it's no wonder people don't give a shite about leaking inside the WH.
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:27 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:Sessions said he consulted with others, and they decided that given the circumstances, he should recuse himself.
How is it good when Sessions should NOT have recused. There was NO conflict of interest!
I'm not saying that he had a conflict of interest; I'm saying that they didn't want any appearance (after his omissions during hearing) to make the integrity of the investigation questionable.
He erred on the side of caution. I don't like Sessions, but he made the most ethical decision, even if it wasn't necessary.
Why is this a negative?
Posted on 7/19/17 at 11:39 pm to Cali 4 LSU
He lied about meetings with Russians. He had to recuse himself
Posted on 7/20/17 at 12:34 am to SCLibertarian
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Trump should have refused to appoint Sessions based on his stances on the drug war and civil asset forfeiture.
Agree, except Trump doesn't give a shite about those issues.
He and his rich pals can hire expensive lawyers to fight any bullshite charges and forfeitures that ordinary folks get fricked on. They also own many of the private prisons that house the losers in the drug war, the food suppliers to the prisons, etc.
Sessions made a big deal recently about bringing back DARE. Any child with google could tell him that multiple studies show it has no meaningful impact on the number of kids who use drugs. It was a failure and waste of taxpayer money. That is yet another example of how out of touch he is, unless you are an 80 year old moron.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:06 pm to Rakim
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You couldn't pay me to work for Trump. Dudes such a POS and unloyal to everybody around him it's no wonder people don't give a shite about leaking inside the WH.
Tell that to Corey...seemed very loyal.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:08 pm to JuiceTerry
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He lied about meetings with Russians. He had to recuse himself
That's not true. That's the dem spin.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:11 pm to Cali 4 LSU
OK, he "forgot" about meetings with Russians. He had to recuse himself.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:12 pm to JuiceTerry
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OK, he "forgot" about meetings with Russians. He had to recuse himself.
Yea, like Hillary "forgot" about all her emails.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:24 pm to Cali 4 LSU
quote:Yeah. So long as Trump thinks it serves his own interests, he's very loyal.
Tell that to Corey...seemed very loyal.
But this whole Sessions issue reveals a lot about Trump, and it's not good.
I mean Sessions just announced an expansion of asset forfeiture, which is just a morally reprehensible policy, and one that even his base has problems with. Does Trump address that policy or any concerns, despite it being abusive which has harmed innocent people? Nope not a peep.
But when Sessions actually makes the most ethical decision by recusing himself, the very opposite of the behavior he lambasted the previous administration for, what does Trump do? He throws him under the bus, accusing him of dishonesty and incompetency, despite being one of Trump's earliest and most consistent supporters. And despite the fact that Trump's actions (firing Comey) and words (deviating from the official narrative and admitting Russia was an issue) were what brought on the special counsel in the first place.
I despise Sessions, and I hope his days are numbered, yet Trump's behaviors make me actually feel a little sorry for him. It takes a special kind of selfishness and disregard for others to make Sessions a sympathetic character, and Trump managed to do it.
Posted on 7/20/17 at 6:26 pm to Cali 4 LSU
The Twityer twit puts nothing but the best people in place.
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