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re: Trump says leaning toward 15-week national abortion ban.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:30 am to sta4ever
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:30 am to sta4ever
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Yes I think you’re right. I believe I read this entire thing wrong, and was thinking pro-lifers want the cutoff to be less than 15 weeks or something.
I mean we do, but we'll take what we can get
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Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:31 am to Bunk Moreland
I agree that it should be left to the States, and any campaigning around abortion should be how/why it needs to be left at the States. But I have 3 questions about this:
1) Why even allow it to go into the 2nd trimester?
2) Do victims of rape & incest need more than 15 weeks to make these decisions?
3) I thought "saving the of the mother" was a clear medical term that was excluded from abortion laws anyway
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leaning toward a 15-week national ban on abortion but supports exceptions for rape, incest and saving the life of the mother
1) Why even allow it to go into the 2nd trimester?
2) Do victims of rape & incest need more than 15 weeks to make these decisions?
3) I thought "saving the of the mother" was a clear medical term that was excluded from abortion laws anyway
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:31 am to Gifman
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Disagree strongly. Leave it alone with the states.
True. The statistics show since Roe v. Wade was overturned the number of abortions has increased slightly. People are simply going to states where it's legal.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:32 am to Buffalobill86
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The idea that we should be negotiating on how long of a window do we have to allow women to kill offspring without losing votes is a good enough reason to never vote again
Just imagine all the big successes we can have if we just concede on...
*checks notes*
the inherent worth of humanity itself
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:33 am to Zach
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True. The statistics show since Roe v. Wade was overturned the number of abortions has increased slightly. People are simply going to states where it's legal.
it's due to mifepristone and misoprostol
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:34 am to Bunk Moreland
I mean, I believe that at the moment of conception you are formed in God's image. So, I agree with him, but I don't agree with the national ban. Let the states determine.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:35 am to Pettifogger
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I mean we do, but we'll take what we can get
Yeah I agree with that as well. I just misinterpreted this article and thread. Trump definitely shouldn’t push for a cutoff date that’s too extreme. Will have to settle somewhere in the middle to not lose voters.
However, he should absolutely just say it’s up to the states, and not give an amount of weeks or something. I agree with yall, I don’t think that’s a good strategy from him. I just find it hard to believe that abortion will be the deciding factor for whether people want to vote for Trump or not. If you care about social issues, you aren’t voting for Trump regardless of what he says he’ll do. If you care about the economy and things that matter, then abortion won’t make someone not vote for Trump. Just my two cents.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:36 am to Gifman
Even talking about this, is like shooting himself in the foot. Same with not distancing himself from the COVID vaxx.
I love the man, but he needs some better advice on both these topics.
I love the man, but he needs some better advice on both these topics.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:38 am to Bunk Moreland
“Reuters”
“Trump Signals”
Don’t fall for this sham article
“Trump Signals”
Don’t fall for this sham article
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:38 am to Bunk Moreland
Republicans need to leave this alone. It is a losing issue.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:38 am to Bunk Moreland
So how would a federal ban affect those states which have codified abortion in their constitution? For instance, California?
I am a simpleton when it comes to constitutional law but wouldn't state law trump a federal ban anyway?
What's the point of the federal ban then?
I am a simpleton when it comes to constitutional law but wouldn't state law trump a federal ban anyway?
What's the point of the federal ban then?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:38 am to Bunk Moreland
He’s fricking stupid to even be talking about this.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:40 am to Gifman
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Disagree strongly. Leave it alone with the states.
This. If the polling is truly correct (which I am serious skeptical about), all he has to do is not step on any land mines. And this is the biggest of them all. The suburban white women are trickling back to the right, but if abortion becomes a hot topic, they'll run right back to the left.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:41 am to Bunk Moreland
Or you do nothing and leave it to the states. If a whore wants her abortion she can cross state lines.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:42 am to Bunk Moreland
He’ll lose the election with that stance.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:43 am to Pettifogger
15 week ban bad strategy!
6 week ban is the winner! -the bots
6 week ban is the winner! -the bots
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:43 am to jcaz
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whore
What is her male partner referred to in this scenario? How do we refer to the man who neglects to practice safe sex with a woman he knows so little about that she aborts their offspring?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:44 am to Bunk Moreland
This going to hurt him and down ballot conservatives.
You cannot make the case for years that abortion is a state’s issue to overturn RvW, then rush in with a federal abortion ban after the fact.
Bad move IMO. Voters aren’t going to like this.
You cannot make the case for years that abortion is a state’s issue to overturn RvW, then rush in with a federal abortion ban after the fact.
Bad move IMO. Voters aren’t going to like this.
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:44 am to Buffalobill86
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It’s a deal with the devil and the devil never pays his end
I guess my question is what are we conceding?
In a hypothetical world where this went into law, provided it didn't require states to allow abortions up to 15 weeks (thereby allowing 6, 9, 10 week bans, etc.) - what do we lose here?
I could see an argument that it's the government of the United States declaring in a sense that abortion up to 15 weeks is one of our values, but don't we already do that and worse?
Posted on 3/20/24 at 10:46 am to SDVTiger
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15 week ban bad strategy!
6 week ban is the winner! -the bots
uh, have you seen my posts in this thread?
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