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Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:36 am to Toddy
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Obama had already singled those countries out extended vetting. This was nothing more than Trump pandering and you know it.
Trump knew this would happen. This board even predicted this would happen.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:37 am to Draconian Sanctions
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This EO has nothing to do with "Protecting America"
Then why did your man Obama put it into effect then?
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:38 am to Homesick Tiger
So, liberals are in favor of unelected magistrates rulings over their duly elected leaders. Sounds like a good old monarchy is their game. This country does NOT deserve freedom, and by the looks of it, neither does it deserve safety either.
Ahh, but the life lessons will be very difficult to endure I am afraid.
Ahh, but the life lessons will be very difficult to endure I am afraid.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:39 am to Homesick Tiger
It's not the same thing dude. Some of the same people who were okay under Obama's EO are banned under Trump's. Are you really going to debate that?
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:40 am to Homesick Tiger
quote:When did so many people become so afraid? You guys panic and crawl into a fetal position at every loud noise.
You expose yourselves as not putting the country's safety ahead of your politics.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:41 am to mmcgrath
It makes no sense. There was no ban a few days ago and no one said a word. Now the ban is lifted and everyone's losing their minds. It's completely irrational.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:45 am to Toddy
quote:Yet his intel advisors were unsure as to effectiveness of that vetting. You do realize that, correct?
Obama had already singled those countries out extended vetting
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:47 am to cahoots
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Are you really going to debate that?
Like I said, I'm not here to debate semantics. However, the four people in this thread "arguing" against me are doing exactly what I said, defending your side in the name of politics. Not one of you have shown any concern about safety. If you honestly think no one from any of those nations could do us harm, then you have won your argument. Congrats.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:49 am to Homesick Tiger
You are creating a false dichotomy. It's possible to be against the ban for non-political reasons. It's also possible to be focused on security while believing that the ban doesn't achieve it and/or is not constitutional.
You're letting your emotions drag you into irrational debate.
You're letting your emotions drag you into irrational debate.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 8:51 am
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:55 am to cahoots
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It's possible to be against the ban for non-political reasons.
Nope
Posted on 2/4/17 at 8:58 am to KeyserSoze999
sure it is
some progs don't care about what the law is or the way the political winds blow and just have this irrational desire to "help people". that's very socio-personal and not political
some people probably are against the EO for cultural reasons, b/c they want more Muslims in the US
etc
some progs don't care about what the law is or the way the political winds blow and just have this irrational desire to "help people". that's very socio-personal and not political
some people probably are against the EO for cultural reasons, b/c they want more Muslims in the US
etc
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:04 am to SlowFlowPro
Politics is morality being acted out in the public square, so bot those examples are someone's morality.
If you release a murderer from prison, you maybe helping the murderer, but you aren't helping society, so who gets to pick who gets "help"?
If you release a murderer from prison, you maybe helping the murderer, but you aren't helping society, so who gets to pick who gets "help"?
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:10 am to NC_Tigah
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There is provision in the EO to clear them individually during the 3 month pause.
SO 90 more days is going to expose something that the previous 24 months of vetting, on average, has not exposed? And 90 more days of vetting by an administration which is working its arse off just to get up to speed, let alone get ahead?
I have no problem with a permanent ban based on religion alone. It is a good precedent and one that could soon be applied to Christians and Jews and the rest of the insane people in the world. But 90 days is simply checking a box of promise to the base....it does nothing but give the Jihadis ammunition and makes idiots in this country feel safe (I seriously doubt that there are more than a handful of people who actually feel safer...there are millions who will claim to but only a few truly insane ones who feel like they are in danger without the ban).
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:15 am to Homesick Tiger
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Why?
Trump's ban makes us less safe, harms us economically, and does direct harm to those we should seek to protect.
You're disgusting, that you don't want children to be able to seek proper medical care because they're Muslim.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:16 am to BamaAtl
And...BamaAtl nails dumbest post of the day early
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:17 am to udtiger
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udtiger
Sorry for breaking apart your alternative facts this 'early'.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:19 am to Homesick Tiger
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You expose yourselves as not putting the country's safety ahead of your politics.
That is EXACTLY what Trump did when he carved out loopholes for Saudi Arabia and Egypt, where terrorists have actually come from and killed citizens here. You think he's putting you first or his business first?
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:19 am to BamaAtl
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You're disgusting, that you don't want children to be able to seek proper medical care because they're Muslim.
Seems as if they need medical attention so badly they would be willing to find it as soon as possible to a doctor near them as opposed to a doctor halfway around the globe knowing it will take considerable time to clear hurdles to get here.
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:20 am to NC_Tigah
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Yet his intel advisors were unsure as to effectiveness of that vetting
Only in the sense that it could never be perfect. You do realize you're completely misrepresenting the context, correct? That you're completely wrong on what they meant, correct?
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