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re: Those who support the injunction against Trump

Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:23 am to
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:23 am to
I don't have a problem with tightening restrictions on refugees and immigrants from certain areas of the country. This particular EO was obviously rushed out without proper vetting, hence the legal challenges to it, and it being struck down by a few different courts. It's a case of the ends not justifying the means. I'm not a legal scholar so not qualified to argue the legal merits of it. If the Trump team wants to go back to the drawing board and craft one that would pass legal muster, I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54230 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:24 am to
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That is EXACTLY what Trump did when he carved out loopholes for Saudi Arabia and Egypt


You forget how we partnered with Russia to bring down Nazism it appears when making that statement. BTW, how did that confrontation work out for the good guys and the bad guys that teamed up together?
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:24 am to
Ironic huh? The libs hate America and put her down at every opportunity, yet we the only place that has all that "good" stuff that the little children need. Go fricking figure
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99150 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:25 am to
This could have been the most "perfect" EO in history, and the exact same challenges and the exact same rulings would have resulted.

Funny, he could have enacted a pure Muslim ban under the statute.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 9:27 am
Posted by northshorebamaman
Cochise County AZ
Member since Jul 2009
35528 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:26 am to
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Would you mind presenting us with the numbers of engineers and doctors versus non educated Syrians coming into the country? If not, then you need to STFU and quit screaming about all the engineers and doctors we're losing out on.

Do you really want to parse numbers?
Posted by The Spleen
Member since Dec 2010
38865 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:28 am to
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This could have been the most "perfect" EO in history, and the exact same challenges and the exact same rulings would have resulted.




We have no way of knowing that.

Honest question, were there legal challenges to the Obama EO that keeps being cited as the same as this one? I honestly don't remember.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21938 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:41 am to
quote:

Seems as if they need medical attention so badly they would be willing to find it as soon as possible to a doctor near them as opposed to a doctor halfway around the globe knowing it will take considerable time to clear hurdles to get here.


And if the care they can receive here is better than the care they can receive at home? And if they've already cleared those hurdles, and were on their way here when the ban was dropped into place?

Very weak arguments on your part.
Posted by KeyserSoze999
Member since Dec 2009
10608 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:48 am to
Using 'if' all over the place yet criticizing someone else's argument as weak. You guys are cute.
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99150 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:50 am to
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we have no way of knowing that


Yes, we do.
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54230 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:51 am to
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if


If I had a million dollars and you had a feather up your arse we would both be tickled wouldn't we?
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68216 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:54 am to
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the injunction against Trump



is an injunction against America

and I for one am not going to stand around and listen to a bunch of people badmouthing the United States of America!

Posted by Haughton99
Haughton
Member since Feb 2009
6124 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 9:58 am to
I support the law. EOs aren't law. I support the constitution and our system of checks and balances are set up the way they are to prevent the Executive Branch from overstepping its authority.

I honestly don't care if the President's EO "made us safer" and the judge "made us less safe". The theoretical pursuit of increased safety from a threat that the President has blown out of proportion in order to solidify support from his simple minded base is not justification for ignoring law.

If the federal judge made a mistake it'll be corrected at a higher court. That's the way the system works.

There are way too many "Constitutional Conservatives" in this country and on this site that would be on board with giving Trump the power to do whatever the hell he wants with no checks to his power.

Your chance of being the victim of a terrorist attack is less than your God smiting you with lightning.

Stop being sheep.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 10:07 am
Posted by Minnesota Tiger
Member since Oct 2005
4414 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 10:02 am to
Thoughtful response to the fear mongering pussies. Duck!
Posted by gerkin
Member since Sep 2011
1194 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 10:04 am to
The safety argument really is hollow when the countries included omit those most tied to us terrorist activity.

If trump was really the bold person people think he is and he claims to be then saudi arabia, uae, etc would be on the list.

Even in that scenario its highly questionable how effective and reasonable this is
Posted by Iosh
Bureau of Interstellar Immigration
Member since Dec 2012
18941 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 10:06 am to
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You expose yourselves as not putting the country's safety ahead of your politics.
My politics are liberty. I plead guilty to not putting security over liberty.
Posted by Tigerinthewoods
In the woods
Member since Oct 2009
1247 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 10:09 am to
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How did we ever get to the point where Americans are more concerned for the needs of immigrants than the safety of its citizens?


Brother, at the core of liberalism is the destruction of America as we know it. They will support anything, ANYTHING, that undermines the fabric of this country and it's constitution. Death by 1M cuts.

They must be utterly destroyed, no doubt about this. We just have to find a way to do it surgically, if we can, in order to preserve what is good.
This post was edited on 2/4/17 at 10:12 am
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28149 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 10:09 am to
Meh, unless you go full ancap, that's lame AF
Posted by Homesick Tiger
Greenbrier, AR
Member since Nov 2006
54230 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 10:13 am to
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Your chances of being the victim of a terrorist attack is less


I thought the same thing back in the 60s about abortion becoming legal in the future. Boy was I wrong. I am not looking at this as something that might happen a week, a year of even five years from now but a bad attack here is going to happen. Terrorist's cells now in all 50 states. They ain't there by accident my friend.
Posted by Tigerinthewoods
In the woods
Member since Oct 2009
1247 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 10:13 am to
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My politics are liberty


You, sir, are a liar.

Or maybe just stupid.

Or maybe both.

Probably both...
Posted by Lou Pai
Member since Dec 2014
28149 posts
Posted on 2/4/17 at 10:23 am to
But he's for liberty! No explanation needed!
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