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Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:38 pm to gamatt53
That's the one bit of good news from the right on Trump being nominated/elected: the Evangelical Right is effectively dead. They will never be able to live down voting for a pussy grabbing, twice divorced, cheating narcissist.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 10:40 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:39 pm to OMLandshark
Maybe Trump's connections with the Kremlin will result in an American Orthodox Revival. 
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:39 pm to Cosmo
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Trump got a higher percentage of evangelical vote than romney and mccain
Which says everything. They're hypocrites.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:41 pm to OMLandshark
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They're hypocrites.
Water is wet
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:42 pm to 3nOut
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You do know Piper follows Calvinist teaching heavily?
He endorses bastardized Calvinism. Calvin believed in hardline predestination, the immaculate conception and perpetual virginity of Mary, rejected sola scriptura, etc.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:43 pm to gamatt53
1 Timothy 2:1-4
Romans 13:1
Scripture is not to be treated as a buffet, choosing which one uses to support their view.
Pastors would better serve if they truly believed the gospel message. Want to change lives, stay on message and out of politics. Many "take on the form of godliness but deny its power".....this very well describes much of the evangelical body, unfortunately.
Romans 13:1
Scripture is not to be treated as a buffet, choosing which one uses to support their view.
Pastors would better serve if they truly believed the gospel message. Want to change lives, stay on message and out of politics. Many "take on the form of godliness but deny its power".....this very well describes much of the evangelical body, unfortunately.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:46 pm to gamatt53
The evangelical right gives conservatives a bad name and is responsible for some of the most intrusive big brother government policies. The evangelical right wants the government to be morality police and wants to invade the privacy of adults.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:47 pm to OMLandshark
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That's the one bit of good news from the right on Trump being nominated/elected: the Evangelical Right is effectively dead. They will never be able to live down voting for a pussy grabbing, twice divorced, cheating narcissist
Oh I don't think that's the case they will play it as a lesser of two evils things I'm betting based on this.
Something tells me Trump won't tweet about this affront to his character and ability to lead like John Lewis though
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The evangelical right wants the government to be morality police and wants to invade the privacy of adults.
I agree completely. A huge portion of this board fall into that bucket and are also huge trump supporters though. I just wondered which way they would fall in this kind of framed debate this pastor wrote
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:48 pm to biglego
There are some well-fleshed out thoughts that modern American liberalism is really just secularized Puritanism.
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Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:49 pm to Roger Klarvin
I think that's picking and choosing. There's a lot more to it than that but maybe I should have said Piper is one of the more strict scritpuralist today.
Now every point that Calvin did? No of course not because some of it is wrong any way you swing it.
but the more hardline predestination and sovereignty of God that was rejected middle of 20th century has been picked up by Piper and Chandler. Neither are idiots.
Now every point that Calvin did? No of course not because some of it is wrong any way you swing it.
but the more hardline predestination and sovereignty of God that was rejected middle of 20th century has been picked up by Piper and Chandler. Neither are idiots.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:49 pm to wfallstiger
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Pastors would better serve if they truly believed the gospel message. Want to change lives, stay on message and out of politics.
I don't mind religious leaders spouting opinions about politics. For a true believing preacher, it might even be impossible to fully separate them. But if they're going to be involved with politics, don't expect tax exempt status. I'd just like to see politicians ignore some of their bullshite.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:49 pm to gamatt53
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Oh I don't think that's the case they will play it as a lesser of two evils things I'm betting based on this.
They can use that excuse in the general election, but they can't during the primaries. They had plenty of choices between Ted Cruz, Ben Carson, and Scott Walker. Any of them that voted for Trump (i.e. the majority) can no longer say shite.
And now that I think of it, maybe they can't. The Mormons were down 16% compared to Romney. They had the morals not to vote for him.
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 10:51 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:50 pm to 3nOut
Ever bought a car from a Calvinist? Damned things don't even let you choose where to drive.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:51 pm to HempHead
4.5 pointer checking in here. :rimshot:
This post was edited on 1/19/17 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:51 pm to OMLandshark
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a pussy grabbing, twice divorced, cheating narcissist.
When you describe him this way, it makes me love him more.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:52 pm to gamatt53
They're just mad about Jenner being at the ball.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:52 pm to 3nOut
I'll be honest, I know very little about Calvinism or related branches. I was raised as a half-assed Anglican and only recently started going to church, and my crazy arse liked Orthodox services and explanations more than anything else I'd encountered. I should read more.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:54 pm to 3nOut
My point was that Calvin and especially Luther were 98.7% catholic. Their disagreements were more institutional than theological. Evangelicals reject basic theology held by essentially every Christian alive including the reformers until the 17th century, yet they always cite the reformation as a turning back to "traditional Biblical Christianity".
Traditional Christianity is Catholicism/Orthodox, no way around it. Every notable Christian for over 1500 years believed what Catholics believe, including most of the reformers.
Traditional Christianity is Catholicism/Orthodox, no way around it. Every notable Christian for over 1500 years believed what Catholics believe, including most of the reformers.
Posted on 1/19/17 at 10:55 pm to HempHead
It's an important doctrine that doesn't mean jack shite about your eternity.
If that means anything.
If that means anything.
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