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re: The Armed Citizen: A week in review

Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:23 am to
Posted by FandIgod
BATON ROUGE
Member since Jun 2017
217 posts
Posted on 6/17/17 at 11:23 am to

"badness of selling guns....."

you voted for Hillary I bet.

Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 7:50 am to
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The weapons they had were knives in every example, so.....what is your point?



My point is that despite the fact that the NRA is in the bidness of selling guns they have a point in all of the cases cited, with the exception of the latter one where no weapon is mentioned except for those of the homeowner.....
Posted by germandawg
Member since Sep 2012
14135 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 8:05 am to
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What's your point, people break the law? That's why law abiding citizens need guns you regressive douche.



If you need to carry a gun to make you feel more secure more power to you. I have a houseful of guns but I have never carried one because I was uncomfortable and thought I may be victimized. I have never known anyone who has been victimized except for a friend whose daughter is a meth head and she was held hostage in their home by a boyfriend who wanted a car and some money. Violent crime is just not a problem in most peoples lives......

That is going to change going forward. As more and more people are convinced by the NRA and manufacturers that they are in imminent danger of being a victim and start carrying guns they are going to find a reason to use them....road rage, someone being rude......and as these kinds of acts by idiots who have no business owning a gun because they are irresponsible increase it is going to be harder and harder to defend until someday gun advocates worst fears are going to come true and having a gun is going to be much more complicated.


Take a look at how most people drive and how they raise their kids. Is giving those idiots easier access to guns really going to make anyone safer?
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 8:08 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41672 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 8:54 am to
There are already thousands of people carrying firearms everyday and very few are using them irresponsibly. We have laws against reckless use of firearms for a reason. If someone takes out their gun during a road rage incident they will be punished for it.

You are the one acting fearfully and irrationally with your assumption that more guns means a wild west scenario with people drawing firearms with every mood change. It just doesn't work that way.
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
Member since Feb 2009
64326 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 8:57 am to
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LA House Rep Steve Scalise Shot in Alexandria, VA


You forgot to add magic pixie dust saved more from being shot
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22777 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:02 am to
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LA House Rep Steve Scalise Shot in Alexandria, VA


Then everyone including Scalise were saved by men with guns. Thank goodness they had people there with guns to protect them.
Posted by MastrShake
SoCal
Member since Nov 2008
7281 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:10 am to
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Here's one they missed...
here are some others they missed, since there were actually 8 mass shootings last week, not just the one on Scalise.

weird that "The Armed Citizen" wouldn't mention these. its almost as if theyre nothing but insultingly obvious propaganda that only gullible idiots would fall for.

June 11th

Houston, Texas: Three teenagers and one child were wounded after an argument outside of an apartment complex. One 16-year-old teenager was shot in the head. One 13-year-old teenager was shot in the thigh, the other was shot in the upper back. The 12-year-old child was shot in the hand. No arrests have been made.

Chattanooga, Tennessee: Four adults—Dereck Strickland, Devin Brown, Otis Franklin, and William Wright—were wounded after a drive-by outside the Playhouse Lounge, a local club.

Chicago, Illinois: Seven adults in their 20s and 30s and two teenagers were wounded in a drive-by shooting in Lawndale neighborhood.

June 13th

Baltimore, Maryland: Two people were killed and two other people were wounded in an early morning shooting. Police commissioner Kevin Davis announced that afternoon that officers and detectives would have to work 12-hour shifts instead of 10-hour shifts because of Baltimore’s ongoing gun violence problem.

Almost an hour after his announcement, four more people were wounded in northwest Baltimore.

June 14th

San Francisco, California: Four employees were killed—the beloved “Big” Mike Lefiti, Benson Louie, Wayne Chan, and Jimmy Lam (the shooter)—and two employees were wounded after a shooting at a UPS facility. The shooter had previously filed three grievances about working too many hours and appeared to have picked his victims deliberately.

June 15th

Richmond, Virginia: A 17-year-old was killed after a fight in the street. Four other people were wounded and taken to a medical center. Their injuries are not life-threatening.

June 16th

Espanola, New Mexico: Five people were killed in a domestic dispute and carjacking. Three of those people—Maria Rosita Gallegos, 49, Max Trujillo Sr., 55, and Brendan Herrera, 20—were family members of the shooter, Damian Herrera, 21. After killing his mother, father, and brother, Herrera stole cars from Michael Kyte, 61, and Manuel Serrano, 59, before shooting and killing them too.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48309 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:13 am to
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How disappointing that you left off the largest and second-largest gun-related events of the week.


There is a substantive difference in the examples. In the OP, these were law-abiding citizens using the tool in order to protect others. In your example, a radical, violent leftist (redundant) possesses the tool illegally and uses it illegally to harm.

The criminal issue in your example is radical leftist ideology and the inability for radical leftist to reason opting instead for unstable emotional reactions. The gun is simply a tool - a tool whose possession was already illegal under law and whose prohibition, in no way, shape, or form, prevented its possession by the radical leftist.

Prohibiting tools doesn't stop criminality - never has, never will. It does, however, prevent use of the same tool by law-abiding citizens to deter criminality.
Posted by Antonio Moss
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2006
48309 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:14 am to
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a good guy with a gun was killed by another good guy with a gun, and there are no consequences for the murderer.


Where did this happen?
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32647 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 9:15 am to
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Chicago, Illinois: Seven adults in their 20s and 30s and two teenagers were wounded in a drive-by shooting in Lawndale neighborhood.


It's funny that you posted this considering Chicago's gun laws.

It's amazing the complete lack of thought that goes into the gun control argument. there are more guns owned now than in the history of the world yet violent crime continues to trend downward.
Posted by OnTheGeaux
Har Tavor
Member since Oct 2009
3067 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:09 pm to
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Unless the good guy is black


On that note... taking a TD break for awhile on Father's Day. This two-bit e-tabloid insultfest and race-baiting on this website has gotten out of hand.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13343 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 2:35 pm to
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The NRA has to say that because they are in the bidness of selling guns.....



No, dumbass. The NRA is in the business of preserving and defending our First Amendment right to defend ourselves, and our loved ones. A God-given right that is constantly under attack by Democrat politicians, bureaucracy, and their idiot sycophants, like yourself.
Posted by lsu480
Downtown Scottsdale
Member since Oct 2007
92876 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:06 pm to
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No, dumbass. The NRA is in the business of preserving and defending our First Amendment right


Irony at its finest
This post was edited on 6/18/17 at 3:08 pm
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32647 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:09 pm to
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at note... taking a TD break for awhile on Father's Day. This two-bit e-tabloid insultfest and race-baiting on this website has gotten out of hand.


This place really has taken a nose dive and rarely is anything of any policy substance discussed.
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:32 pm to
Crazy to think..

These civillians can hold an armed and violent criminal at gunpoint without killing them.

But cops can't.

Time to demote a few highschool dropouts to desk duty and promote these patriots
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 3:36 pm to
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No, dumbass. The NRA is in the business of preserving and defending our First Amendment right to defend ourselves, and our loved ones. A God-given right that is constantly under attack by Democrat politicians, bureaucracy, and their idiot sycophants, like yourself.


In the 1920s, the National Revolver Association, the arm of the NRA responsible for handgun training, proposed regulations later adopted by nine states, requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapon, five years additional prison time if the gun was used in a crime, a ban on gun sales to non-citizens, a one day waiting period between the purchase and receipt of a gun, and that records of gun sales be made available to police.

The 1930s crime spree of the Prohibition era, which still summons images of outlaws outfitted with machine guns, prompted President Franklin Roosevelt to make gun control a feature of the New Deal. The NRA assisted Roosevelt in drafting the 1934 National Firearms Act and the 1938 Gun Control Act, the first federal gun control laws. These laws placed heavy taxes and regulation requirements on firearms that were associated with crime, such as machine guns, sawed-off shotguns and silencers. Gun sellers and owners were required to register with the federal government and felons were banned from owning weapons. Not only was the legislation unanimously upheld by the Supreme Court in 1939, but Karl T. Frederick, the president of the NRA, testified before Congress stating, “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”

For the next 30 years, the NRA continued to support gun control. By the late 1960s a shift in the NRA platform was on the horizon.

On Nov. 22, 1963, President John F. Kennedy was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald. He shot the president with an Italian military surplus rifle purchased from a NRA mail-order advertisement. NRA Executive Vice-President Franklin Orth agreed at a congressional hearing that mail-order sales should be banned stating, “We do think that any sane American, who calls himself an American, can object to placing into this bill the instrument which killed the president of the United States.” The NRA also supported California’s Mulford Act of 1967, which had banned carrying loaded weapons in public in response to the Black Panther Party’s impromptu march on the State Capitol to protest gun control legislation on May 2, 1967.

The summer riots of 1967 and assassinations of Martin Luther King Jr. and Robert F. Kennedy in 1968 prompted Congress to reenact a version of the FDR-era gun control laws as the Gun Control Act of 1968. The act updated the law to include minimum age and serial number requirements, and extended the gun ban to include the mentally ill and drug addicts. In addition, it restricted the shipping of guns across state lines to collectors and federally licensed dealers and certain types of bullets could only be purchased with a show of ID. The NRA, however, blocked the most stringent part of the legislation, which mandated a national registry of all guns and a license for all gun carriers. In an interview in American Rifleman, Franklin Orth stated that despite portions of the law appearing “unduly restrictive, the measure as a whole appears to be one that the sportsmen of America can live with.”
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26637 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 4:14 pm to
quote:

You're such a racist piece of shite


Easy now. No reason to call him a racist.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
13343 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 6:00 pm to
Your point is? Yes they have been a part of some legislation that I wouldn't support, just as every politician, and advocacy group I've ever been aware of has.

They have also used their power and support to protect and defend our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms. Thousands of times in fact, with most of the attacks in my lifetime coming from democrat douchebags who advocate an ever larger and more powerful federal government.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
21894 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 8:09 pm to
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Centinel


Please linke to the NRA's statement expressing their outrage that a lawfully licensed gun owner was gunned down with no threatening action, and his murderer was acquitted.

I'll wait.
Posted by LSUconvert
Hattiesburg, MS
Member since Aug 2007
6229 posts
Posted on 6/18/17 at 8:22 pm to
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No, dumbass. The NRA is in the business of preserving and defending our First Amendment right to defend ourselves, and our loved ones.



The NRA is in the BUSINESS of making money. You think they do any of the things that they do, other than to make arse tons of money? I wouldn't be so quick to call others names.
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