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re: The ACA Helped Drive Down Personal Bankruptcies

Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:04 am to
Posted by MrSpock
Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:04 am to
quote:

At its most basic level, health insurance allows consumers to pay for the medical care they need.


Which consumers are paying the medical care?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425100 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:05 am to
the selected sample of years was not biased

not one bit

Posted by Sable Hat
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:05 am to
F off
Posted by doubleb
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Member since Aug 2006
36435 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:05 am to
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Because the ACA was passed in 2010.


So you take a fact, ACA was passed in 2010, and credit it as the primary reason bankruptcies fell, but do not put it into historical context as to what happened prior to 2009?

Wouldn't you think a graph of bankruptcies (adjusted for population growth) over the last century would be better? That way you could see the ebb and flow of things and not just look at events through an 7 or 8 year window.

Wouldn't that be relevant?

Google bankruptcies, and medical debt, and there are plenty of articles on the subject. This one concludes that medical debt is not that big of a factor.

LINK
This post was edited on 5/3/17 at 9:10 am
Posted by udtiger
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Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:05 am to
I don't know whether you are a liar, are fricking retarded, or both.
Posted by jamboybarry
Member since Feb 2011
32689 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:06 am to
This is like the chart showing terrorist attack deaths decreasing starting in 2002
Posted by udtiger
Over your left shoulder
Member since Nov 2006
99646 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:06 am to
quote:

ACA helped with foreclosures as well...




Posted by The First Cut
Member since Apr 2012
14014 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:07 am to
Communism would completely end personal bankruptcies, what's your point?
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22062 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:08 am to
quote:

bankruptcies fell in 2011 below the 2009 levels


Thanks, Obama!
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
36435 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:08 am to
Looking at you graphs SFP, you could ascertain that since the ACA has passed there's been a lot more terrorist attacks causing more deaths.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22062 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:09 am to
quote:

So you take a fact, ACA was passed in 2010, and credit it as the primary reason bankruptcies fell, but do not put it into historical context as to what happened prior to 2009?


You didn't read the article. Why not?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
425100 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:10 am to
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Thanks, Obama!

you're posting a graph that shows bankruptcies skyrocketed due to the crash of 2008 and nothing else
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73413 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:11 am to
Look.

Charts....
Posted by TimeOutdoors
AK
Member since Sep 2014
12129 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:12 am to
Really? Just how stupid do you think people are? The recession, real estate collapse, jobs lost, etc. You think all the bankruptcy fillings were because of health care. This is what is wrong with our Country. It's people that want to introduce a false narrative because they are no longer capable of simple deductive reasoning.
Posted by BamaAtl
South of North
Member since Dec 2009
22062 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:12 am to
quote:

you're posting a graph that shows bankruptcies skyrocketed due to the crash of 2008 and nothing else


No, Consumer Reports is showing a graph and discussions with bankruptcy experts who agree that the decrease in bankruptcies post-ACA is due at least in part to the ACA.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:12 am to
quote:

The ACA Helped Drive Down Personal Bankruptcies


Using cherrypicked data that doesn't even remotely reflect what you think it does.



Posted by Pax Regis
Alabama
Member since Sep 2007
12978 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:12 am to
And you know who primarily benefits from that?

Doctors and hospitals who don't get their bills bankrupted on. That money is coming from the rest of us who can afford insurance and to pay our taxes.

frick this shite. Repeal it. Make doctors provide a service at a price people can actually afford.
Posted by TrueTiger
Chicken's most valuable
Member since Sep 2004
68740 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:13 am to
She's a true believer no amount of fact and logic will change her mind.

She could hold a turd in each hand and fail to call it shite.
Posted by stout
Smoking Crack with Hunter Biden
Member since Sep 2006
167764 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:14 am to


So we are just resetting to levels seen before the great recession and our peak can more than likely be contributed to that recession.

Even after the housing market crashed there were still people on balloon loans they couldn't get out of so of course the bankruptcies were going to rise and fall like that. The last round of balloon loans where people may be upside down are due this year and some into next year BTW so it will be interesting if people can get out of them and refi or if we see another rise in foreclosures.
Posted by NASA_ISS_Tiger
Huntsville, Al via Sulphur, LA
Member since Sep 2005
8000 posts
Posted on 5/3/17 at 9:14 am to
quote:

That makes sense given the point of the ACA is to make healthy people with money subsidize the healthcare of the sick and poor who otherwise would not have insurance and/or be paying higher premiums.


Exactly the point of ACA. Redistribution of wealth using the healthcare system as the conduit. The democrats found a way to force those with money to pay for those without money and thus increase their voting constituents.
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