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re: "Stop blaming black parents for underachieving kids"

Posted on 8/1/14 at 3:21 pm to
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 3:21 pm to
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I love vouchers, but I think all they will do is put the kids who have parents that don't care in the same school.

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That's a good thing.

i'll put it another way

let's devote our efforts and resources into those who want to participate in the modern economy/ culture, while not wasting them trying to save and change those who rebel against the modern economy/culture
Posted by TigerintheNO
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 4:36 pm to
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So the students bear no responsibility for how poorly they perform in school?

Where was this position when I was in school.



just so I don't assume anything, what type of elementary school did you attend?
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 5:52 pm to
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Everyday actions continuously contradict the idea that low-income black families don’t care about their children’s schooling,



Well only if one discounts the everyday actions like being impregnated by multiple men whom they'll never marry and who won't be involved in their children's lives?
This post was edited on 8/1/14 at 6:02 pm
Posted by themunch
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 6:09 pm to
So the students bear no responsibility for how poorly they perform in school?

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Where was this position when I was in school.


At the other end of your fathers belt.
Posted by wmr
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:05 pm to
Personal accountability is for white ppl.
Posted by Negative Nomad
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 10:25 pm to
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Posted by Asgard Device
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 10:30 pm to
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These parents have the will to provide quality schooling for their children, but often, they lack the way: the social capital, the money and the access to elite institutions.


frick. its like a cancer in society.

Do they ever wonder why poor immigrant asians and hispanics outperform them?
Posted by Revelator
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 10:33 pm to
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Do they ever wonder why poor immigrant asians and hispanics outperform them?



How hard is it to get a library card or used books?
Posted by Negative Nomad
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 10:35 pm to
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Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 10:48 pm to
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There is a word for the sentiment required to craft the thoughts you see in the OP's linked article: racism.


Don't be ridiculous.

The idea that blacks are less capable than other races is the dictionary definition of racism.

The person who wrote this article does not believe that blacks are equal to the rest of us.
Posted by OleWar
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:01 am to
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Do they ever wonder why poor immigrant asians and hispanics outperform them?


I don't think so. If I was a single black woman in New Orleans waiting in a hot arse line to put my kids in school, I would say - f this- I'm moving to the most lilly arse white neighborhood in Vermont - get a job- don't get a job, but welfare there has to be better then in the 504.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 12:11 am to
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let's devote our efforts and resources into those who want to participate in the modern economy/ culture, while not wasting them trying to save and change those who rebel against the modern economy/culture


This is the position I've come to accept, though it will never happen.
Posted by Big Ragoo
Louisiana
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 1:27 am to
When over 70% of black children are born without a father around, how can throwing money at the problem help?

Until the majority of black people realize that having children the way that more than 70% of them do, is the problem! it'll never change.

You don't have to be educated to know it is wrong and stupid.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 9:29 am to
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If a cop is trying to find a gang banger, and no one offers him up, that neighborhood is basically approving if his lifestlye.


Not necessarily. People like to make jokes about "snitches get stitches", but it's a stark reality in the hood. The gangbanger will be back on the street in a couple of days and the snitch gets capped.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 9:33 am to
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When over 70% of black children are born without a father around, how can throwing money at the problem help? Until the majority of black people realize that having children the way that more than 70% of them do, is the problem! it'll never change. You don't have to be educated to know it is wrong and stupid.
You obviously hold blacks to the same standard as everyone else. I would deduce that you believe that blacks are equally capable of not having unaffordable/unwanted children as all other races are. I agree with you.

Those who disagree with this point think lowly of black people and should be shamed for their racism.

Black people are equal to the rest of us and should be treated as such.
This post was edited on 8/2/14 at 9:34 am
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 9:43 am to
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Black people are equal to the rest of us and should be treated as such.


Depends on the category measuring 'equal'. Blacks and Hispanics have lower IQs than whites and Asians. Of course, this has nothing to do with parenting or culture. But lower IQ limits the spectrum of future occupations. IE, if your IQ is 90 and you work very hard you will still never become a surgeon.
Posted by ballscaster
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 9:48 am to
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Depends on the category measuring 'equal'.
Correct. If you are born human, you are equal. If you are not born human, you cannot read this sentence, so get back to licking your own balls and playing with your chew toy.
Posted by Sal Minella
Member since Nov 2006
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 9:49 am to
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the reason SOME inner city schools suck is a direct reflection on the black urban culture, its celebration of criminality, and its hatred on education.


Chris Rock agreed with you almost 20 years ago
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:00 am to
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If you are born human, you are equal

It's just the opposite. If you are born human you are born totally unequal unless you have an identical twin. It's called genetics.
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 8/2/14 at 10:24 am to
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It's just the opposite. If you are born human you are born totally unequal unless you have an identical twin. It's called genetics.
Humans are not the same. They are equal. "Same" and "equal" are not the same thing.

Regarding the topic of this thread, everyone who isn't mentally disabled is 100% capable of things like not having children, not killing people, not breaking into homes, etc. If you think that blacks are less capable of these things than others are, you are a very racist person.
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