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re: "Stop blaming black parents for underachieving kids"

Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:17 am to
Posted by goatmilker
Castle Anthrax
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:17 am to
As the son of parents who were both teachers I fully agree.

PS
My head exploded over sh!t like this long ago.
Posted by a want
I love everybody
Member since Oct 2010
19756 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:18 am to
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i'm even-keel about this now, but have you ever been around for the rare occurrence when i get angry and go on a rant about this?

Let 'er rip
Posted by mtntiger
Asheville, NC
Member since Oct 2003
26615 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:19 am to
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It's the parents!


You're damn right it is.

There are predominantly white schools districts in the Asheville area that are known as 'drop-out factories.' The reason? They are mostly farm communities, and the parents don't see the need for a high school education much less a college degree. All they see is their offspring working on the family farm (boys) or marrying into a local farm family (girls).

It's not about race. It's about parental involvement. Putting a kid on a bus isn't being involved. Parents have to know what their children are learning or not learning and meet with the teachers during the school year.

I'd also point to the +70% single mother birthrate in the black community, which Mr. Perry conveniently avoids. That is a disgrace. Kids having kids is a recipe for disaster, and we're seeing the results of it in education, poverty rates, incarceration rates, etc.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:27 am to
naw i have too much work to do today

but man, let me just add that self serving dicks like the guy who wrote teh article in the OP probably champion the "scandinavian" model of college, where it's free and you get a stipend and get to go through masters, blah blah blah

let's just think about the ironing at play
Posted by Radiojones
The Twilight Zone
Member since Feb 2007
10728 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:33 am to
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Americans are born on a mountain of gold. It's true some start out with better shovels than others, but all you have to do is dig.


Once upon a time not too long ago everyone knew this. Unfortunately it has been forgotten by many.

Posted by BOSCEAUX
Where the Down Boys go.
Member since Mar 2008
47716 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:34 am to
Education is the ultimate you get out of it what you put into it, it's all about a want to do well.
Posted by doubleb
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2006
35935 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:41 am to
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What more do you want?


A 3 point average, a high school diploma, and a living wage for life.

That is what "they" want.
Posted by MetArl15
Washington, DC
Member since Apr 2007
9474 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:42 am to
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whew - from your title and first comment, I thought you were going in the opposite direction.

It is all on the parents. Which means it is on the grandparents, and on the great grandparents. They raised this current generation of piss poor parents.

The white community cannot escape the criticism either. The "greatest generation" came home from WWII and immediately began allowing their children to pursue 'if it feels good, do it.' That is where the country went wrong.

Nothing feels better than sex, and once we accepted sex as the sacred cow to be worshiped above all else, the bottom fell from the moral pinnings that had held society together for thousands of years. It's a tangled web, but I firmly believe that when women (even young girls) started viewing sex the same as every hard-legged 16 yr old boy, our moral fibre began unravelling.

Now we have full mocking of the 'traditional' lifestyle that was the foundation of western civilization - certainly the foundation of American civilization. The family unit is being replaced by government bureaucracy that is more interested in pandering to the public than in doing what is in the long term interest of civilization.

Our culture coming apart at the seams, but we don't care because we can have sex anytime we want it, have others pay for any unwanted consequences of the act, abort on demand, live out our fantasies and proudly damn anyone who doesn't celebrate/worship the new golden calf of 'diversity.'
An enormous WTF? for nearly everything you wrote, but an even bigger WTF for the part I bolded. Society is unravelling because women are reaching parity with men in their love of sex? QUICK, PUT BURQAS ON ALL OF THEM BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!!
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56405 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:42 am to
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Holy hell. Is the world ending. I actually agree with a want?

Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17098 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:43 am to
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Unfortunately, there are some parents who…never had a formal education and they don’t understand the value of an education.


Bloomberg is absolutely right. One of the fundamental characteristics of any predominantly minority/poor school that actually performs academically is parental involvement. If you want to turn a school around, you have to devise a plan to get parents involved on your campus and in their children's academic lives in a positive manner.

It shouldn't be a surprise...many of these parents are uneducated and had exceptionally bad academic experiences in their own lives. Very few of us willingly put ourselves into positions that cause us that much discomfort, they aren't any different.

That said, if you are waiting for your typical poor, minority parent to just "get involved"...you are going to keep waiting. It is up to school leadership to employ mechanisms to get parents involved, and honestly wade through a lot of bullshite in the process until the school culture changes.
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:46 am to
Who hacked into a wants account? Whoever it was I agree with them.
Posted by Wolfhound45
Hanging with Chicken in Lurkistan
Member since Nov 2009
120000 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:01 am to
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Who hacked into a wants account? Whoever it was I agree with them.



Posted by Ghostfacedistiller
BR
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17500 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:03 am to
Agreed. Are you trolling?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
Simple Solutions to Complex Probs
Member since Jan 2004
421909 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:04 am to
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but I firmly believe that when women (even young girls) started viewing sex the same as every hard-legged 16 yr old boy, our moral fibre began unravelling.

just fyi

teen pregnancy (and abortion) rates are in serious decline from their peak in the late 80s/early 90s
Posted by mmcgrath
Indianapolis
Member since Feb 2010
35372 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:07 am to
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All children in this country have a teacher, a safe building in which to learn, books and in some cases laptop computers. These are all provided free of charge. Nutritional lunches and sometimes breakfasts are also available for students; and in instances of family hardship, they are provided at no charge. Also, schools in most areas provide free bussing services to get children safely to and from school.
True except for the safe buildings and safe passage to and from school in many places. You would be surprised at the poor conditions some inner city schools are in. You probably wouldn't be surprised at how dangerous the neighborhoods are around some schools and in the inner cities few children are bused.
Posted by Champagne
Already Conquered USA.
Member since Oct 2007
48277 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:09 am to
I DEMAND THAT YOU RELEASE A WANT AND RETURN HIM TO HIS REGULARLY SCHEDULED LEFTIST POSTING HABITS !

Locking people in a closet and impersonating them on the PoliBoard is NOT COOL.

Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14485 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:09 am to


Makes my day. It gives me hope when people of different ideological persuasions can see the real problem.

Now if we only had solutions to bad parenting...
Posted by tigerinthebueche
Member since Oct 2010
36791 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:10 am to
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just fyi

teen pregnancy (and abortion) rates are in serious decline from their peak in the late 80s/early 90s


how is that relevant to:

quote:

t I firmly believe that when women (even young girls) started viewing sex the same as every hard-legged 16 yr old boy, our moral fibre began unravelling.
Posted by tigerfan182
Franklin, Tn
Member since Sep 2009
2779 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:18 am to
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All children in this country have a teacher, a safe building in which to learn, books and in some cases laptop computers. These are all provided free of charge. Nutritional lunches and sometimes breakfasts are also available for students; and in instances of family hardship, they are provided at no charge. Also, schools in most areas provide free bussing services to get children safely to and from school.

Hundreds-of-thousands of college scholarships are available every years to students who do well in school, and there are numerous programs that support the poor in going to college (pell grants, student loans, etc).

What more do you want? Damnit! The government cannot provide the desire to learn? :jimmiesrustled: There are no excuses left. It's the parents!




You are 100% correct. At some point, all people have to take responsibility for their own action, success or failure.
Posted by RCDfan1950
United States
Member since Feb 2007
34878 posts
Posted on 8/1/14 at 9:20 am to
Cass Sunstein thinks he/Obama/Progs can "nudge" folk into believing/doing the 'right thing'. And this would be against those folks own inclination toward their PREFERRED Ideology. For the slackers/Welfare Staters...dream on. Herding cats. For those who don't want THEIR earnings confiscated by the votes/mob-rule Democratic mandated Law of slackers...again...dream on. Herding cats.

Ideas are powerful. False ideas that seem to pay free dividends...are even more powerful; especially when championed by misguided, charismatic, demagogic and lying half-truthers. I.e., you know who. Especially re those with a limited ability to discern, and as such, finding themselves in desperate scenarios.

We will not vote or legislate our way out of this 'idea' conundrum. Vision - the ability to discern Truth - can't be taught. Mother Nature, and God...employ the 'stick and carrot' unmercifully. Idealist Progressivism (carrot) nws.
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