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re: "Stop blaming black parents for underachieving kids"
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:48 am to a want
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:48 am to a want
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Our negative attitudes about poor people keep us from providing the best services and schools to low-income families.
I agree somewhat here that I am biased against the rude and ignorant behavior which is much more prevalent in the American poor's.
You observe much better manners and courteous minded people from poor immigrants we let in here than our fat lethargic entitled lot.
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Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:48 am to Rickety Cricket
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Yikes
That actually makes more sense than the article in the OP.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:49 am to SlowFlowPro
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it's a self fulfilling prophecy. create a mindset based on "institutions" instead of individual action (and the corresponding response). remove individual responsibility and consequence for negative actions. then when this population of bad decision makers destroys a school's reputaion by being filled with poor students (again, by choice), blame the school for being an institution that is subpar
Here's what kills me: Let's say it is unfair, and your kid's school isn't a good as it could be. What are going to do?
a.) Oh well. I guess my son isn't going to be educated because his school sucks
b.) "Son, we're going to work extra hard at school so you can do everything and have anything you want in life. Yes, it's a challenge, but you can do it"
Americans are born on a mountain of gold. It's true some start out with better shovels than others, but all you have to do is dig.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:49 am to VOR
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Andre Perry sort of has an agenda if you look at his history. Just saying.
"Et tu, Brute?"
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:52 am to Rickety Cricket
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And HOLY frick this is blatantly false. Those parents have been lining up for over 9 years to do the same thing. White, black, Latino, Asian, parents of every damn race.
i want to watch this guy watch the lottery and the cartel back to back
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:54 am to a want
A Want, I am a teacher, and I agree with your thoughts.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:54 am to PrimeTime Money
Seems soom in this Nation are more about making excuses to why some of our kids don't do well in school. There's plently of examlees of kids with limited means learning just fine. You can learn with a pencil, paper, books, and someone who cares enough to teach right. You can have mega millons, but if the will to teach & learning isn't there. Doesn't matter how much one spends. The way some think, it's amazing our forfathers were able to learn to write, alone learn math too.....
Take that Zimmerman witness, that could barely speak a complete sentence, that actually gets you hired in the USA. People where quick to defend this behavior. Instead of finding out why a young kid about to graduare High School wasn't even close to college level english skills. That's the discussion that needed to be addressed with that young lady, and not if your racist because you called a duck a duck. Once we get pass the blame game and truly attack the real problems. What we witnessed with that trail witness will continue until America is full of uneducated and uninformed adults.
Take that Zimmerman witness, that could barely speak a complete sentence, that actually gets you hired in the USA. People where quick to defend this behavior. Instead of finding out why a young kid about to graduare High School wasn't even close to college level english skills. That's the discussion that needed to be addressed with that young lady, and not if your racist because you called a duck a duck. Once we get pass the blame game and truly attack the real problems. What we witnessed with that trail witness will continue until America is full of uneducated and uninformed adults.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:56 am to SquirrelyBama
quote:Great saying......
Americans are born on a mountain of gold. It's true some start out with better shovels than others, but all you have to do is dig.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:56 am to a want
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Americans are born on a mountain of gold. It's true some start out with better shovels than others, but all you have to do is dig.
you have to make a bunch of really shitty decisions to be legit poor in the US. taking education seriously is on my list to avoid poverty for sure
i just read an article on smoking yesterday and who still smokes and, of course, it's disproportionate to poor people. reminds me of my theory about how ever piece produced by liberal media using an individual to project the "poor life" will include a passage defending that subject's smoking
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:57 am to a want
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I'm glad we have a safety net. I think a person who works for 20 years, pays his taxes, contributes to the community deserves a little temporary help if he loses his job. We need to work to ensure it doesn't become a safety hammock though. That's the problem.
I don't listen to Rush, fwiw. And I agree totally with what you said here. Entitlements should be a safety net, not a way of life. Do you know how many people could be employed if our government would ease restrictions on mining coal and drilling for oil? You talk about shovel ready jobs.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 7:57 am to SquirrelyBama
So the students bear no responsibility for how poorly they perform in school?
Where was this position when I was in school.
Where was this position when I was in school.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:01 am to a want
*Parents*? 
A lot are children themselves; even the grandmother might be 30. Father...non existent, for all practical purposes. It's the prevailing culture that shapes the kids. This thing won't fix itself; there is no way that the vast majority of children will take the high road/harder path, when offered a choice. That's why he didn't give me a choice!
A lot are children themselves; even the grandmother might be 30. Father...non existent, for all practical purposes. It's the prevailing culture that shapes the kids. This thing won't fix itself; there is no way that the vast majority of children will take the high road/harder path, when offered a choice. That's why he didn't give me a choice! Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:02 am to SquirrelyBama
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Seems soom in this Nation are more about making excuses to why some of our kids don't do well in school. There's plently of examlees of kids with limited means learning just fine.
it's kind of a self-defense mechanism. the liberal mindset seeks to prove that all self-perceived groups are composed of exactly the same people (ie, there are no differences in people). they worry that if a clear difference is presented, then it will result in a digression that justifies x-group is superior to y-group (in this instance, the old myth about how all blacks were mentally inferior to all whites)
this is why when you get to extreme feminists, they believe that men and women are not different other than genitals.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:04 am to SquirrelyBama
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People where quick to defend this behavior. Instead of finding out why a young kid about to graduare High School wasn't even close to college level english skills.
There's a pipeline from grammar school, middle school, high school and into HBCUs where that type of speech and behavior is viewed as acceptable. I would argue that is one of the main drivers behind the abhorrent graduation rate of many HBCUs.
Just look to the recent debates where HBCUs win by disregarding the topics and blabbering pseudo poetry about how the system keeps them down (the very system that funneled them into said HBCU, coincidentally).
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:05 am to a want
I was the HC of an 8 th grade football team for 11 years. My team was generally split pretty evenly from a black/white ratio. I had 7 assistant coaches. Usually, by week three of practicing, all 7 of my coaches and I were picking up 2-3 black kids a day so they could get to practice. Around 3/4 of the black kids on a roster of 65-80 players.
We practiced four nights a week. At the end of every practice(8:00pm), the white kids usually had a parent waiting to take them home and if not, they rarely waited more than 5 minutes. Yet....every night,there were at least ten and often up to fifteen black kids waiting for someone.....anyone.....to pick them up and take them home. "Can I borrow your phone coach?" Every night ,mine and other coaches phones were needed by these kids to try an contact parents. Sometimes, the parent would tell their kids to "get coach to bring you home" or some other way of bucking their parenting responsibility. Each of us ended up driving one or two home a night after 9 pm, when it was obvious nobody was coming. Luckily, 3 of my coaches were black friends of mine who knew the kids parents and lived closer to where the kids lived than myself. They also knew that the majority of these parents just did not give a shite. In fact, they enjoyed having their kids be somebody else's responsibility while they sat on their arse at home. It was really sad. Some really good kids who had great potential but little home guidance.
I have never been a teacher but I can deduce that what I saw and experienced over 11 years in that arena was a microcosm of the actual school/education situation for those kids. Sadly, it seems that so many black parents treat school as nothing more than a babysitter instead of as an opportunity.
We practiced four nights a week. At the end of every practice(8:00pm), the white kids usually had a parent waiting to take them home and if not, they rarely waited more than 5 minutes. Yet....every night,there were at least ten and often up to fifteen black kids waiting for someone.....anyone.....to pick them up and take them home. "Can I borrow your phone coach?" Every night ,mine and other coaches phones were needed by these kids to try an contact parents. Sometimes, the parent would tell their kids to "get coach to bring you home" or some other way of bucking their parenting responsibility. Each of us ended up driving one or two home a night after 9 pm, when it was obvious nobody was coming. Luckily, 3 of my coaches were black friends of mine who knew the kids parents and lived closer to where the kids lived than myself. They also knew that the majority of these parents just did not give a shite. In fact, they enjoyed having their kids be somebody else's responsibility while they sat on their arse at home. It was really sad. Some really good kids who had great potential but little home guidance.
I have never been a teacher but I can deduce that what I saw and experienced over 11 years in that arena was a microcosm of the actual school/education situation for those kids. Sadly, it seems that so many black parents treat school as nothing more than a babysitter instead of as an opportunity.
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:06 am to lsufan9193969700
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A Want, I am a teacher, and I agree with your thoughts.
[edited to add - I agree]
I was a teacher for the past 11 years - retired in October.
In all of the frantic meetings on "what can we do to improve students' performance?" I always told them that unless we demanded something from the parents, nothing we did would be effective.
I suggested having Saturday detention for unruly students that the PARENTs were required to attend. Either that or the kid is expelled.
and requiring that the PARENTs submit documentation of that THEY were doing to assist their underperforming students, both in terms of tutorial assistance and learning environment. Either that or the kid fails.
Of course none of this was "possible" - luckily, I didn't give a crap about whether or not the 'let me go' - I was teaching just because I felt like I was "giving back" something to my community. I could walk away at any time - which is what I did when the crappy administrative response to the Common Core came down. I could no longer live with their bullshite 'implementation' plans.
Common Core Standards were golden - I was excited when I first read them (math only) - the CC embodied every tenet I had about math education.
sorry for off topic - the current education problem rests with the parents - PERIOD. Pouring more money into failing schools makes it worse, not better.
This post was edited on 8/1/14 at 8:07 am
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:11 am to ChineseBandit58
The generations going now may be lost. We should focus our social engineering on sober family planning. That way we don't have to put shitty parents on a training regimen.
This post was edited on 8/1/14 at 8:12 am
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:12 am to ChineseBandit58
If children who are consistently "unavailable to learn" were simply kicked out of school, a lot of the problems would be solved.
Parents who do care, work to make sure their kid is available.
Parents who dont....sorry, we will always need ditch diggers.
Plus, the classroom experience improves because now the teacher teaches rather than discipline students all the time. Kids actually get a good education!
Parents who do care, work to make sure their kid is available.
Parents who dont....sorry, we will always need ditch diggers.
Plus, the classroom experience improves because now the teacher teaches rather than discipline students all the time. Kids actually get a good education!
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:15 am to a want
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If children who are consistently "unavailable to learn" were simply kicked out of school, a lot of the problems would be solved.
i'm even-keel about this now, but have you ever been around for the rare occurrence when i get angry and go on a rant about this?
this is one of the few topics in life that i will get legit angry discussing. pieces of shite ruining an education for so many other innocents
see? i even start talking like fricking ghost rider
Posted on 8/1/14 at 8:16 am to a want
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If children who are consistently "unavailable to learn" were simply kicked out of school, a lot of the problems would be solved.
Parents who do care, work to make sure their kid is available.
Parents who dont....sorry, we will always need ditch diggers.
Plus, the classroom experience improves because now the teacher teaches rather than discipline students all the time. Kids actually get a good education!
Agree totally.
Reminds me of one of my more 'famous' responses at one of our school planning meetings. Subject was "student attendance." I rose to give my ideas on improving it. I said 'The problem with student attendance is we have too much of it. If we could get rid of about two dozen kids in this school (of about 800-1000) we would be a much better school for the rest of them."
Most agreed, but said that "wasn't possible." Did get a good laugh out of it though.
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