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re: So the top 1% pay 24% of taxes but earn only 15% of income, they are overtaxed
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:00 am to LeonPhelps
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:00 am to LeonPhelps
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I have long felt that you should be barred from voting if you net receive money from the federal government because you have a conflict of interest.
I feel the same, but I would amend your proposal to only working age citizens, and I would exempt employees of the government.
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Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:10 am to Tigerstudent08
quote:You are the one trying to claim they pay no taxes. And when you post in CAPS all over the place it gives the impression that you are complaining about it.
Can you quote where I said they do not pay enough in taxes? I believe I was just refuting your point that they pay taxes, because their NET tax(which is the most important) is in the red. They are poor so taxing them more will have ZERO positive impact. Instead, the government should be decreasing in size and lowering their budgets to adjust for what they are actually able to spend, kinda like how any other business model works. Crazy idea I know!
And government does not follow a business model. It is in the "business" to provide services as efficiently as possible. Businesses are driven by profit.
The idea that governments should just "get smaller" is pretty small minded and oversimplifies the problem.
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 11:10 am
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:17 am to HonoraryCoonass
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I would exempt employees of the government.
These are the last people who should ever vote for anything. They should most certainly not be exempted.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 11:24 am to mmcgrath
quote:So are well-run governments. They allocate the profits or reward citizens with tax reductions. Ours is not a well run government.
Businesses are driven by profit
Posted on 11/18/14 at 12:03 pm to LeonPhelps
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These are the last people who should ever vote for anything. They should most certainly not be exempted.
The military is in that group.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 12:09 pm to NC_Tigah
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So are well-run governments. They allocate the profits or reward citizens with tax reductions. Ours is not a well run government.
There are no profits in a well run government. You for some reason believe that any government that cuts taxes is well run. Adjusting the tax rate has nothing to do with it. Posted on 11/18/14 at 12:45 pm to HonoraryCoonass
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The military is in that group.
You are correct. I honestly did not even think of them. I was thinking of the hordes of unionized government workers. Military absolutely have the right to vote for who leads the country to risk their lives to protect. So military would be exempted in my ban on voting for people on the government dole.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:24 pm to Tigerstudent08
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Unless a person is living completely "off the land" they are paying taxes. There is an element of taxation in the price of any good or service that is bought or traded traded for in the US. This entire spiel about half the nation not paying any taxes is ludicrous I believe that if someone gets back more (or the same) from the government than they pay in TOTAL taxes than they aren't actually paying taxes. Just like how people vilify the rich for having so many write offs and lowering their effective tax rate. Seems like a lot of people only look at the net tax rate for rich people and then completely ignore it for poor people. Funny how that works out.
So would you agree that wealthy people who do business with the federal government whose trade with the government exceeds the amount they pay in taxes are also not paying any taxes?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:31 pm to LeonPhelps
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LeonPhelps So the top 1% pay 24% of taxes but earn only 15% of income, they are overtaxed I have long felt that you should be barred from voting if you net receive money from the federal government because you have a conflict of interest.
Be careful what you ask for....the only people who would be left with the right to vote would be homeless people without the acumen to get even social security. Certainly none of the top 1% would be allowed to vote in such a system unless of course they could afford to fund the government in its current manifestation single handedly. While the biggest tax payer in the nation pays a chunk of change it is not a drop in the bucket compared to the benefits that person enjoys just in national defense alone. Being an American is worth the highest tax bill in the nation......
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:36 pm to germandawg
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So would you agree that wealthy people who do business with the federal government whose trade with the government exceeds the amount they pay in taxes are also not paying any taxes?
If it is someone who is wealthy/poor/kinda wealthy/a business owner/a janitor and their net taxes are at zero and below than yes they are not paying taxes
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:38 pm to Tigerstudent08
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do you think these poor people that pay the minimal taxes you say are on the plus or minus side in terms of net taxes?
Why do you care? If they're poor they don't have anything else to give anyway.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:40 pm to LeonPhelps
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I have long felt that you should be barred from voting if you net receive money from the federal government because you have a conflict of interest.
Everyone who votes or runs for office has a conflict of interest.
If you were consistent in your beliefs you'd just abolish all forms of the democratic process and the entire government itself.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:42 pm to NC_Tigah
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So are well-run governments. They allocate the profits or reward citizens with tax reductions. Ours is not a well run government
This is a serious problem that many of y'all have....you somehow have decided that a government is a business. This is why y'all ought not be allowed to be in control of any government....because you can't grasp that governing is different than managing a business. If you don't believe this please explain how you would make the marine cope profitable. Right...you can't.
But i like the idea of this nation being managed like a business. It appeals to the entrepreneur in me. So...let's say the US is a business and each and every citizen in this country is a share holder. The value of a share would be based on the total value of the nation...both private and public...and the number of shares controlled by each individual would be based on the amount of that wealth that they contribute, with public wealth being split equally among the citizens. As a company we owe about $20 trillion. Therefore this debt should be billed to each citizen according to the number of shares they hold. The bottom 80% of wealthiest Americans would owe about $39 each...the top 20% would owe about 20 million each. Reckon they will go for that, since the nation is a business and all?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:44 pm to Tigerstudent08
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If it is someone who is wealthy/poor/kinda wealthy/a business owner/a janitor and their net taxes are at zero and below than yes they are not paying taxes
Why must there be a requirement to prove a net positive contribution to the treasury? That just seems silly and almost impossible to prove. You'd have to have the most detailed accounting of every expenditure and benefit received to prove this out. And some benefits can't be objectively quantified. It's impossible to prove and pure silliness.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:47 pm to germandawg
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The bottom 80% of wealthiest Americans would owe about $39 each...the top 20% would owe about 20 million each. Reckon they will go for that, since the nation is a business and all?
You going to let them vote proportionally based on their "shares," too?
I didn't think so.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:50 pm to Ace Midnight
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You going to let them vote proportionally based on their "shares," too? I didn't think so.
As if it really matters. The legislature is certainly influenced by the wealthy.
If I was wealthy and interested in politics I would probably consider it a huge waste of my time to do something as insignificant as voting.
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:53 pm to Ace Midnight
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So the top 1% pay 24% of taxes but earn only 15% of income, they are overtaxed quote: The bottom 80% of wealthiest Americans would owe about $39 each...the top 20% would owe about 20 million each. Reckon they will go for that, since the nation is a business and all? You going to let them vote proportionally based on their "shares," too? I didn't think so.
Certainly...it is a business after all, that is the way corporate voting works. Of course I don't think there is an answer for what will happen to the aristocracy when, drunk with power, they over reach and the unwashed masses reign them back in as has happened throughout the history of mankind, but perhaps they have learned their lesson?
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:54 pm to Powerman
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As if it really matters. The legislature is certainly influenced by the wealthy.
If I was wealthy and interested in politics I would probably consider it a huge waste of my time to do something as insignificant as voting.
This is why those who gripe about the influence of "special interests" in campaign finance amuse me.
If campaigns didn't cost a dollar, folks like Buffet, Gates, Soros, etc etc could still, pretty much whenever they wanted, have an in person discussion with a congressman, their staff or even the President.
Meanwhile, the ONLY chance a regular person has to become part of that meeting is to pool their resources in groups like National Right to life, Planned Parenthood, NRA, Anti-Gun organization, GLAAD, etc etc etc.
We shouldn't be anti-special interests; we should want them stronger!!!
Posted on 11/18/14 at 1:56 pm to germandawg
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unwashed masses
Sorry - just got the image of OWS in my head.
Seriously, though, you think the sheeple of this country would actually rise up, short of a weapons or food confiscation?
We are the epitome of what Rome tried to create with its program of "bread" (welfare) and "circuses" (reality television).
This post was edited on 11/18/14 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 11/18/14 at 2:13 pm to The Third Leg
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I'm not ignoring anything. The post I replied to said that half pay nothing.
Go to this site:
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80 million people either get food stamps and/or medicaid. That's 25% of the population. They aren't paying taxes and that's a huge arse number.
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