re: So special counsel investigating Trump for obstruction of justice per Fox news.

The Constitution calls for a 2/3 majority, but same points hold.

Impeachment is the political equivalent to an indictment, and removal from office and the Senate is analogous to a conviction. The standard for conviction in a typical criminal court is "beyond a reasonable doubt", but in a removal trial, however, the standard is whatever the senators decide that it is, and in practice, this means that how a particular senator votes with regard to removing a president, is likely ultimately affected by a very typical political considerations - that is, how might one's vote affect one's re-election chances.

Two historical examples: first, Nixon may or may not have ultimately been removed from office, but it is quite likely that he would have been. The reason wasn't that he was guilty per se (although he was) but That a vote to retain Nixon would've been political suicide for Senators in all but the safest seats. In the case of Bill Clinton on the other hand, the political calculus worked the other way. A sitting senator was politically safer to avoid removal than he would've been to remove Clinton. Thus, he was impeached but never removed.

Supporters of the president are quite right that times have made Congress a "tougher jury". There are far more Republicans in Congress and far fewer elected Republicans are likely to question the president. The extreme hyper-partisanship of our parties give them much less incentive to cross political lines to impeach or remove a president of the opposing party. The bar will be higher.

We may still get there though. Watergate was about two years between the break-in and Nixon's resignation. Nixon's approval rating on leaving office was about 25% Trump is about 36%. There will be more leaks, probably more crimes uncovered. Special elections won by Dems may shift the calculus. then there's 2018.

Not gonna try to predict. Trump is unlike anybody in the office before. Stay tuned.

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So if he finds evidence of Trump wrongdoing, in your mind it will only because the whole thing is fixed?

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IMHO, the legal theory that they will use to nail Trump with Obstruction is that his "hope" was really a direct order that would be obeyed or Comey would be fired. This is not traditional "obstruction" but, I believe that Mueller will be only too glad to allow a bit of expansion and innovation when it comes to his newfound definition of "obstruction."

The judges and Justices no longer follow the law, why should we expect Mueller to follow the law?

IMHO, Mueller will release his findings timed to inflict significant political damage on Trump. This is payback for Hillary losing and for what Comey did to Hillary. Comey and Mueller got sent for and they got the word -- somebody has to answer for what Comey did to Hillary.

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Cant prove intent baw.

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Mueller doesn't have to prove anything baw. All he has to do conclude that there is probable cause to find that POTUS Trump intended to direct Comey to either drop the investigation or lose his job.

Comey set it all up beautifully in his testimony. He practically wrote out Mueller's findings in his testimony. Comey said that Trump's "hope" was actually a direct order. Comey testified that his being fired has "something to do with the Russia investigation".

Trump has walked right into another Uppercut and this one might be the Knock-Out. I wonder who advised him to keep Comey on board after Inaug Day? I'll bet it was some GOP close adviser or Jared Kushner who advised him to keep the Mole Comey and I'll bet that these advisers knew that Comey was a mole.

You fricks are going to learn that it doesn't matter who you vote for, you can't have your country back. Go ahead and put another Outsider into the Oval Office and watch what the Dem/GOP UniParty do to THAT joker (not that we'll ever get the chance to put another Outsider into the Oval Office because we won't; Trump will be the last Outsider to be POTUS.)

That's the way it is. I don't like it, but, I gotta call em like I see em.

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Scooter Libby. They KNEW who committed the Leak of V. Plame, for months...but continued on "related matters" until they got Libby on Process. Gloves off. Kicks to the groin.

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You nailed. Trump will get the Scooter Libby Treatment.

And the GOP big wigs who were in on the hit will buy the biggest flower garland arrangements for the funeral: In Memory of POTUS Donald Trump, From the GOP, We Loved Having You as POTUS!



This shite is getting comical. It is so obvious that it doesn't matter who we vote for POTUS because a Reformer will never be allowed to Reform anything. There are too many trillions of dollars at stake, too many family legacies, too much power, prestige and luxury at stake and the UniParty will fight to the death before they give that up. They live like Royalty at our expense and there's not a damn thing we can do about it. That's perfectly clear now.

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Trump is an Outsider that's never been a politician. He's a Reformer and THAT is why he's being destroyed.

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Or maybe he just doesn't understand how the government works which is why he's tripping over his own dick every other day.

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Or maybe he just doesn't understand how the government works which is why he's tripping over his own dick every other day.

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Bingo.

This, and Trump is so understaffed and underinformed that he doesn't actually have policy positions on about 90% of issues. He's just seeking "wins." What that means is that he's happy to support whatever McConnell & Ryan prioritize, so long as he gets to claim credit.

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So what am I overlooking? On what policy issue is Trump attempting to legislate in a way that isn't broadly consistent with Republican goals of the past decade?

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GOP is against the Wall. GOP is in favor of open borders. GOP is in favor of allowing Euro NATO to not pay up. GOP is in favor of Muslim refugee immigration. GOP is in favor of Climate Change constraints on the US economy.

Now many may think that the GOP is not in favor of all of that, they are, but, they are coy about it. They don't want their base to know it, but they are.

The UniParty is real. Trump is an Outsider sent there to Reform Wash DC. That will never be allowed to happen.

And let's be honest. If Trump were an outspoken brash Progressive Globalist Liberal Democrat, do you really think that he'd be in ANY political trouble?

I mean really, Trump is a MEANIE and THAT's why he's in political trouble? Hillary Clinton is well known to be the nastiest bitch ever to come into contact with a staffer or Secret Service agent. Did she ever face any real political trouble for that? No.

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Or maybe he just doesn't understand how the government works which is why he's tripping over his own dick every other day.

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OK, no problem. Trump will be the very last POTUS we'll have that "doesn't understand how the government works". You've convicted Trump of this in less than five months, but, OK, lots of people agree with you and it doesn't matter anyway.

We will never again have another Trump as POTUS. Every future POTUS will be groomed, packaged, prepared and prioritized to be POTUS by the Ivy League schools of law and schools of Government. Maybe we will have a future POTUS educated at one of the elite schools in Britain or France. But rest assured, all future POTUS's will be fully on board with implementation of the Globalist and Internationalist agenda that intends to re-distribute global wealth on an international scale and that means YOU and your progeny will be paying those bills.

But you go ahead and convince yourself that Trump is being ousted because he's mean and clumsy and a criminal. I happen to disagree with your opinion.

4.5 months dude.