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re: So special counsel investigating Trump for obstruction of justice per Fox news.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:03 pm to Bass Tiger
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:03 pm to Bass Tiger
Expected. It's there way of making it impossible for Mueller to be fired. There's absolutely no basis for this info, other than to make it seem as though the admin would be blocking an investigation by firing his sorry arse.
It's a game to them.
It's a game to them.
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Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:03 pm to LSUnation78
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So while not entirely kosher, its not a criminal act. Am i missing a peice of legalesse info somewhere?
No, you're not. Criminal acts & the Presidency is an interesting subject - most legal scholars agree that the President can't even be prosecuted with a crime. The only way to actually punish a President is through impeachment which is political and not legal. It's strange but what Congress decides is an impeachable offense in no way actually has to be a crime. That why when Congress drew up articles of impeachment against Nixon it included impeding a federal investigation for doing basically what Trump did, even though they may have had the legal power to do so.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:07 pm to VOLhalla
Ok, that was my understanding. So in actuality, what does the special counsel investigating Trump for possible obstruction really mean? Hoping they can find something else to add to comeys testimoney to give enough semblance of obstruction to use for impeachment proceedings?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:08 pm to LSUnation78
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So in actuality, what does the special counsel investigating Trump for possible obstruction really mean
That was my point
He was appointed from the start to investigate obstruction.
Again, this thread is dumb
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:13 pm to LSUnation78
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Ok, that was my understanding. So in actuality, what does the special counsel investigating Trump for possible obstruction really mean? Hoping they can find something else to add to comeys testimoney to give enough semblance of obstruction to use for impeachment proceedings?
Special Council can only make a recommendation to the AG (Sessions, not Rosenthal). AG has to prosecute, but at this pint anymore Trump interference would get him impeached, as wrong as an impeachment may be.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:13 pm to VOLhalla
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Comey testified that he interpreted Trump's statements as an order to end a federal investigation into Flynn. That's obstruction territory
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:17 pm to Andychapman13
I get that part. What im saying is that why investigate him for something they cant actually charge him with. He was within his powers... even if he directly said stop it.
its either going to be used to a) clear the air; so to speak.
Or b) provide whatever additional ammo that may exist for impeachment.
Which is as Chiz says, this is nothing new. This is what was happening from the begining.
its either going to be used to a) clear the air; so to speak.
Or b) provide whatever additional ammo that may exist for impeachment.
Which is as Chiz says, this is nothing new. This is what was happening from the begining.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:17 pm to SDVTiger
The BS never stops with these people. Progs think everyone is as stupid and gullible as they are.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:22 pm to Homesick Tiger
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As Krauthammer said, it's just the extension of the SP's investigation. We started out on Clinton with Whitewater and ended up with a blowjob in the Oval Office. It's what an SP does.
I almost hope Trump hooks up with an intern just so I can see the Democrats say it's an impeachable offense and the Republicans say the President's personal life is nobody else's business.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:23 pm to golfntiger32
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Let me explain this clearly, for the last damn time, the Prez can tell the DOJ/FBI who to investigate or not investigate. If Trump told Comey to let this thing go, but continued to fund and let Comey continue with the investigation that is not obstruction. The fact that Mueller or his team of Dem Lawyers leaked this to the WAPO is no coincidence especially after Sessions testimony yesterday.
In theory the president could demand in secret that his subordinates lie under oath or pass legislation that benefits his pocket book. If the pawns were ever convicted of a crime, pardon them. There is a lot of things he has the authority to do.
But just because he has the power to do it, doesn't mean his actions are free of consequence.
The founders intentionally made the justifications for removing a person from office incredibly broad and of a political, not legal nature. So as not to tie a public officials wrong-doing simply to criminality. Since in a corrupt society, a person can just write the laws that legalize their corrupt behavior. And the president is given powers and responsibilities unique to his position in order to serve the country and the public good. So to only have recourse if he commits criminal behavior is inherently flawed and the founders recognized this.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:24 pm to cusoonkpd
I'm confused... since when is "investigating" mean that he is guilty, being charged, or anything else beyond that. Isn't this pretty much known that this was going to be "investigated". I think at time any law enforcement agency looks into something, they are by very definition, investigating.
When I shoot someone in my own home in self defense, there is an investigation into me seeing if I did something wrong.
This really isn't news, or shouldn't be, especially coming from WaPo as a source. This is deflection at best.
When I shoot someone in my own home in self defense, there is an investigation into me seeing if I did something wrong.
This really isn't news, or shouldn't be, especially coming from WaPo as a source. This is deflection at best.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:26 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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I almost hope Trump hooks up with an intern just so I can see the Democrats say it's an impeachable offense and the Republicans say the President's personal life is nobody else's business.
His wife's the hottest bitch within 100 miles of the WH, that ain't happening. Bill had Hilldabeast, whose probably been eating cat exclusively since Chelsea was born.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:28 pm to LSUnation78
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Hoping they can find something else to add to comeys testimoney to give enough semblance of obstruction to use for impeachment proceedings?
That's where Dan Coates and NSA Director Mike Rogers testimony comes in...from last week.
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Both men insisted they’d never felt pressured to do anything improper, but they parsed their words carefully and stopped short of outright denials that Trump had asked them to undermine the FBI’s probe.
They both said they would answer the question in a classified setting following their testimony last week. If they said Trump asked them to "let it go" (Flynn investigation) in some form or fashion, that would add a hell of a lot of weight to Comey's claims.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:28 pm to SDVTiger
I used the word territory deliberately - I'm not saying Trump committed an actual crime here. But what matters isn't the law as much as what Congress believes is an impeachable offense. Impeding a federal investigation may not be a crime for the President but it was an article of impreachment drawn up by Congress against Nixon.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:30 pm to VOLhalla
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I'm not saying Trump committed an actual crime here.
Yeah you are or at least you hope he did. Its sad and pathetic but thats clearly how yall roll
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:30 pm to a want
It's a ploy to bait Trump into firing Mueller
At which point he would have fired 2 people in the direct line of this investigation involving his own people
While he is allowed to do so, it would give the MSM fodder for an eternity into how crooked Trump is
They know Trump wants this to go away, not because he is guilty but because it is hindering his administration. That is their goal. And they know it annoys Trump. He fired Comey, they think maybe if they announce that now Trump is under investigation he will make the mis-step of firing somebody directly investigating him.
At which point he would have fired 2 people in the direct line of this investigation involving his own people
While he is allowed to do so, it would give the MSM fodder for an eternity into how crooked Trump is
They know Trump wants this to go away, not because he is guilty but because it is hindering his administration. That is their goal. And they know it annoys Trump. He fired Comey, they think maybe if they announce that now Trump is under investigation he will make the mis-step of firing somebody directly investigating him.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:31 pm to LSUnation78
I'm not sure. It's not like there's a long history of these to go by. Maybe Mueller investigates Russian collusion and Flynn like he's supposed to and if other things pop up that seem like almost crimes or things Mueller thinks Congress would be interested he will go down that path too.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:31 pm to VOLhalla
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Comey testified that he interpreted Trump's statements as an order to end a federal investigation into Flynn. That's obstruction territory
You're showing a breathtaking amount of ignorance where it comes to presidential powers.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:32 pm to Bass Tiger
My man Bonds must be out of pocket, because he contends that FBI investigations don't fall under the umbrella of Obstruction of Justice charges. So I don't know what all these people are speculating about. He seems to know what he's talking about, though.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:32 pm to SDVTiger
Well now I know that you aren't even reading my posts you're responding to. That's not a great quality to have.
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