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re: So special counsel investigating Trump for obstruction of justice per Fox news.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:35 pm to Darth_Vader
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:35 pm to Darth_Vader
No, I'm not. Which is why I didn't say that Trump committed obstruction. Nixon had the authority to shut down federal investigations of himself, didn't he? Yet, why was impeding a federal investigation one of the articles of impeachment drawn up against him by Congress?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:36 pm to VOLhalla
Not reading VOLhalla posts is not a good quality
Ive read enough of your posts to know your agenda
Ive read enough of your posts to know your agenda
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:40 pm to VOLhalla
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I used the word territory deliberately - I'm not saying Trump committed an actual crime here. But what matters isn't the law as much as what Congress believes is an impeachable offense. Impeding a federal investigation may not be a crime for the President but it was an article of impreachment drawn up by Congress against Nixon.
Bingo. And "high crimes and misdemeanors" is incredibly broad and somewhat undefined.
This is also broad
quote:
No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State.
And the recourse is political in nature for both. Namely congress. As a check on abuse of power.
That's the system the founders wanted, and its the system we have. Flawed or not.
If congress is convinced Trump's actions serve as the basis for obstruction of justice as they define it, and his actions fit their definition of either of those things I mentioned above, they have the right and ability to take political action.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:45 pm to VOLhalla
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No, I'm not. Which is why I didn't say that Trump committed obstruction. Nixon had the authority to shut down federal investigations of himself, didn't he? Yet, why was impeding a federal investigation one of the articles of impeachment drawn up against him by Congress?
Because (1) both houses of Congress were firmly under control of Democrats and (2) just as they are now, Democrats were willing to ignore the law when it got in the way of their political agenda.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 7:53 pm
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:54 pm to Darth_Vader
[quote]Because (1) both houses of Congress were firmly under control of Democrats and (2) just as they are now, they were willing to ignore the law when it got in the way of their political agenda. [/quote]
Your post has some verbiage that could be used to define what is the "DC Swamp".
Your post has some verbiage that could be used to define what is the "DC Swamp".
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:58 pm to MrLarson
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I've tried to stay objective today and hoped things could die down a little. But this shows us the left doesn't give a frick and are becoming more and more dangerous to our way of life
You're right! I have as well. Thought this could may have been a turning point.
IF this happens. There will be war to pay. And we will hit them hard.
Blee dat!
Posted on 6/14/17 at 7:59 pm to Bass Tiger
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Your post has some verbiage that could be used to define what is the "DC Swamp".
You're right. But for the Democrat wet-dream to come true they'd have to have the numbers in congress to make it work. In short, they'd have to have majorities in both houses, including 3/4 of the Senate.
I've got a better chance at having Brittany Spears offering to pay me $1 millon to be her sex slave than Democrats do at controlling 3/4 of the senate.
Impeachment ain't happening.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:16 pm to VOLhalla
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Comey testified that he interpreted Trump's statements as an order to end a federal investigation into Flynn. That's obstruction territory
REEEE-Tard!
Trump has the power to end an investigation as the POTUS!
Duuuuuuumb- frick!
Next...
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:26 pm to CheniereTiger108
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So we're opening an investigation based on a disgruntled fired employee's FEELINGS now?! Comey is an attorney and former prosecutor- he knows what obstruction is. If it was obstruction, he would've definitively said it was. Instead, he said he couldn't say.
The evidence of obstruction will include memos written contemporaneous to the meetings and calls with Trump and the contemporaneous conversations he had with at least 5 FBI officials shortly after the meeting, all of which occurred long before his firing. He will also almost surely testify before the Grand Jury. His Congressional testimony is probably lagniappe.
As for demurring on the question of whether what he witnessed was obstruction of justice, I believe his answer was that it was a question he was sure Mueller would be addressing in the course of his investigation. He was tipping us all off to an obstruction investigation without directly answering the question.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 10:08 pm
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:30 pm to TigerDoc
Comey would have broken the fricking law had he mentioned anything about Trump obstructing and him not saying anything for months.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:43 pm to Bass Tiger
They are going to investigate Trump right into reelection
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:44 pm to Darth_Vader
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You're right. But for the Democrat wet-dream to come true they'd have to have the numbers in congress to make it work. In short, they'd have to have majorities in both houses, including 3/4 of the Senate.
I've got a better chance at having Brittany Spears offering to pay me $1 millon to be her sex slave than Democrats do at controlling 3/4 of the senate.
Impeachment ain't happening.
The other, bigger thing Trump has to worry about is when or if public support for him in districts or states with Republican representatives becomes flipped.
The wall on Nixon didn't break when Democrats got 3/4 majorities. They never did. It broke when his party leadership came to him amidst his polls dropping below 50% with Republicans for the first time and them saying they would not stop impeachment. The next day he resigned.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:44 pm to Champagne
Pence is getting fitted for his CIC outfit. 5 stars and the navy whites for summer.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:47 pm to Errerrerrwere
Which law do you mean?
Good basic question, though. This was an odd situation. Ordinarily he'd disclose to the AG, but he testified he knew that sessions would need to eventually recuse himself, which he eventually did. There were chain of command issues at DOJ at the time - discussed here.
He did report up the chain of command about the improper phone calls.
Good basic question, though. This was an odd situation. Ordinarily he'd disclose to the AG, but he testified he knew that sessions would need to eventually recuse himself, which he eventually did. There were chain of command issues at DOJ at the time - discussed here.
He did report up the chain of command about the improper phone calls.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 8:55 pm to TigerDoc
Nah. Had Comey suspected obstruction it wasn't as if he had nowhere to go because of a breach in his chain of command. He could have went to Congress if he had to. But he did nothing.
However, Comey should be a lot more worried about 18 USC 641; but the excuse, "well, he simply had nowhere to go due to Sessions's recusal; won't help him either in a federal court.
However, Comey should be a lot more worried about 18 USC 641; but the excuse, "well, he simply had nowhere to go due to Sessions's recusal; won't help him either in a federal court.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:01 pm to Bass Tiger
I have a question- sort of off topic - but what's the investigation into money laundering the trump haters keep taking about? Is there really an investigation?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:10 pm to bonhoeffer45
Thanks for the political analysis Hoefer. You gettin paid right?
Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:10 pm to berrycajun
Nobody knows and if they say they do they are either lying or part of the Special Counsels team who happens to post here.
There are many people on twitter with "sources" saying the NY AG has a case going against trump from money issues and people have looked at mueller's team and guessed that money issues might be part of the investigation.
There are many people on twitter with "sources" saying the NY AG has a case going against trump from money issues and people have looked at mueller's team and guessed that money issues might be part of the investigation.
This post was edited on 6/14/17 at 9:11 pm
Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:11 pm to berrycajun
Money laundering for Russians my man.
Posted on 6/14/17 at 9:18 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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They are going to investigate Trump right into reelection
Far beyond "reelection" if this keeps up, GT. Given what is an obvious Coup attempt, the Right will give him Martial Law if that is what is required to drain the Swamp. The way things are going, that is likely what it will take.
Meuller is getting in deep.
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