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re: Paging Aubie101 re: "Once saved always saved"
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:19 pm to Stitches
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:19 pm to Stitches
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This is referring to OT scriptures. Surely no Protestant thinks we are to abide by the OT alone.
I can’t tell if you’re deliberately missing the point or not. The example has nothing to do with sola scriptura.
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Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:21 pm to Revelator
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Our sins don’t take away our salvation
WHAT?!? What kind of Heresy is this? You can sin and SIN doesn't take away your Salvation?
You can Sin and then die and still go to Heaven, no matter how awful the Sin?
This is ridiculous Heresy and was not a part of any Christian thinking for almost 2,000 years after Christ walked the Earth.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:23 pm to Champagne
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Circular logic at work here.
Jesus must have believed in circular logic too
Matthew 13:3
And he told them many things in parables, saying: “A sower went out to sow.
4 And as he sowed, some seeds fell along the path, and the birds came and devoured them.
5 Other seeds fell on rocky ground, where they did not have much soil, and immediately they sprang up, since they had no depth of soil,
6 but when the sun rose they were scorched. And since they had no root, they withered away.
7 Other seeds fell among thorns, and the thorns grew up and choked them.
8 Other seeds fell on good soil and produced grain, some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.
9 He who has ears,fn let him hear…..
Hear then the parable of the sower:
19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom and does not understand it, the evil one comes and snatches away what has been sown in his heart. This is what was sown along the path.
20 As for what was sown on rocky ground, this is the one who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy,
21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures for a while, and when tribulation or persecution arises on account of the word, immediately he falls away.fn
22 As for what was sown among thorns, this is the one who hears the word, but the cares of the world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and it proves unfruitful.
23 As for what was sown on good soil, this is the one who hears the word and understands it. He indeed bears fruit and yields, in one case a hundredfold, in another sixty, and in another thirty.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:24 pm to Champagne
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WHAT?!? What kind of Heresy is this? You can sin and SIN doesn't take away your Salvation?
If a person got saved, and in order for him to stay saved, he had to remain sinless till he died, not one person would be saved. Your problem is you equate being saved with being perfect. We wont attain perfection until the afterlife and we have received our glorified bodies.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:27 pm to wfallstiger
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Judas was a follower, not a disciple.
What??!!?
Judas was one of the original Twelve Apostles! You are factually wrong.
And, by the doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved, Judas is most assuredly in Heaven, despite his Sin of betraying Jesus. Once he was Saved, as we know he was when Jesus made him an Apostle, by your rule, Judas could never lose that Salvation, even after betraying Jesus and committing suicide.
This is ridiculous.
It's clear to me that once a person begins to logically analyze the Protestant heretical doctrine of Once Saved Always Saved, the merits of this doctrine are demonstrated to be ridiculous.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:29 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:30 pm to Revelator
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If a person got saved, and in order for him to stay saved, he had to remain sinless till he died, not one person would be saved. Your problem is you equate being saved with being perfect. We wont attain perfection until the afterlife and we have received our glorified bodies.
I have no problem with clarifying your OSAS doctrine as a false and dangerous heresy that says that a person can live a Sinful Life and still go to Heaven, so long as he confessed with his mouth that Jesus is Lord and accepts him as his personal Savior.
That is dangerous heresy.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:32 pm to Champagne
Absolutely wrong. Judas allowed Satan to enter; hence; he was a follower and not a disciple and am well aware he was in the original 12. Jesus is not going to divide His own house and Jesus knew exactly who and what Judas was about
You are going to tell me a Believer-such as Judas- can allow Satan to do what he did. What he did was worse than Hitler's carnage
You are going to tell me a Believer-such as Judas- can allow Satan to do what he did. What he did was worse than Hitler's carnage
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:32 pm to Revelator
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Jesus must have believed in circular logic too
No, of course God and Jesus will tell you that Circular Logic is from the Devil.
And that quote from Matthew says nothing to bolster your argument about OSAS.
Nothing in the Bible allows the inference of OSAS.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:32 pm to Champagne
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Once he was Saved,
He obviously wasn’t saved. Jesus calls him the son of perdition.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:32 pm to wfallstiger
JUDAS WAS ONE OF THE 12 APOSTLES.
You are factually wrong and your Theology is wrong.
You are factually wrong and your Theology is wrong.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:34 pm to Champagne
No sir. You are woefully in error - it is just that simple
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:35 pm to Champagne
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says that a person can live a Sinful Life and still go to Heaven,
We all live sinful lives. We commit sins of commission and omission all the time. We commit sins in our thought lives. The Bible says whatever is not of faith is sin. Do you know how many things we do daily that are not done with faith in mind?
If you think somehow you can live a sinless life, I don’t know what else to say to you.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:37 pm to Champagne
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And that quote from Matthew says nothing to bolster your argument about OSAS.
We weren’t talking about OSAS, I was asked how a person knows he’s saved
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:38 pm to Champagne
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Nothing in the Bible allows the inference of OSAS.
Nothing in the Bible says saying Hail Mary’s will absolve you of sin, yet believe it
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 7:49 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:41 pm to Jim Rockford
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:44 pm to Hognutz
Probably because they only know him by name but didn't have a relationship with the holy spirit.
They did things for themselves but not for God. They used his name to benefit themselves which to me is using his name in vain.
It reminds me of these pastors that preach the prosperity gospel which is against the teachings of Jesus.
They did things for themselves but not for God. They used his name to benefit themselves which to me is using his name in vain.
It reminds me of these pastors that preach the prosperity gospel which is against the teachings of Jesus.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:52 pm to Revelator
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Nothing in the Bible says saying Hail Mary’s will absolve you of sin, yet believe it
When you were a Catholic, you thought that by saying a Hail Mary prayer that you was absolved of sin? You were a poorly informed Catholic, which explains why you converted.
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:54 pm to wfallstiger
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No sir. You are woefully in error - it is just that simple
Let's take a quick look at Google which provides an abundance of evidence to prove that Judas Iscariot was one of the original 12 Apostles.
LINK
Posted on 11/14/23 at 7:59 pm to Champagne
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When you were a Catholic, you thought that by saying a Hail Mary prayer that you was absolved of sin? You were a poorly informed Catholic, which explains why you converte
I know when you go to confession and tell the priest you stole candy from Walmart, he’ll tell you to go pray a few Our Fathers and 5 Hail Mary’s or something like that.
But I guess you’ll come back and tell me that the priest is really the one doing the absolution. Which is equally silly.
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 8:00 pm
Posted on 11/14/23 at 8:14 pm to Revelator
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Nothing in the Bible says saying Hail Mary’s will absolve you of sin, yet believe it
hail Mary's dont absolve people of sins though bro
ETA: champagne my man got me covered and I didnt see it before posting!
This post was edited on 11/14/23 at 8:15 pm
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