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re: NYPD cops refuse to turn and face mayor as he walks into hospital
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:36 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Mayor de Blasio
He is right about his stance on the NYPD.
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Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:36 pm to BuckyBadger
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Angry at the gov. Sounds like he might have been a conservative Obama hater.
True. Glad they want to list groups like the Tea Party as hate groups or domestic terrorists because everyone knows they target cops. They're the real enemy and perpetrate crimes like this all the time.
Just like media claiming Sarah Palin brainwashed Jared Loughner to shoot Gabrielle Giffords by using crosshairs on a map.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:38 pm to baybeefeetz
quote:He can't talk about his family?
The garner case wasn't about somethjng being misinterpreted. Why inject his personal shite into it unless to make it about race to identify with the protesters. He fricked up. Not his fault these cops died, but people are right to criticize him imo.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:38 pm to JazzyJeff
quote:I always reference the great Henry Chinaski when asked about the police, "I don't know, but I seem to feel better when they're not around."
really? saying he had to teach his son to avoid the police for fear for his life isnt inflammatory? How is this even remotely inflammatory? With the state of America's militarized police force today, it sounds like good advice to me.
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:45 pm to BuckyBadger
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I always reference the great Henry Chinaski when asked about the police, "I don't know, but I seem to feel better when they're not around."
Wonder if this fella feels feels the same way?
Posted on 12/21/14 at 11:50 pm to Five0
quote:Probably not. But some people get killed just for being cops. Others for taking the stairs instead of an elevator. Others for wearing the wrong colors. It's a crazy insane world. Cops don't have it any worse then regular people.
Wonder if this fella feels feels the same way?
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:13 am to upgrayedd
quote:A movie from the 70s about dirty cops. And cops that tried to kill another cop. And look at the way Serpico was treated.
NYPD cops refuse to turn and face mayor as he walks into hospital True. I enjoyed Serpico very much.
30 years later and we have Adrian Schoolcraft.
Yeah. It is the media to blame.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 12:26 am to BuckyBadger
Posted on 12/22/14 at 4:04 am to mmcgrath
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Cops don't have it any worse then regular people.
Those two did. frick you.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:03 am to the808bass
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It's really not. That's the problem.
It really is and you don't understand how percentages work. Whenever you calculate the amount of police officers in the country versus the amount of reports the link you posted reports. There are over 700000 police officers in America, there would have to be 20 incidents daily across the country to even make up 1 percent of the cops in a year. The site you linked doesn't average that. So in the grand scheme of things, it's a few isolated incidents.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:22 am to mmcgrath
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He continued: "And with Dante, very early on with my son, we said, 'Look, if a police officer stops you, do everything he tells you to do, don't move suddenly, don't reach for your cell phone,' because we knew, sadly, there's a greater chance it might be misinterpreted if it was a young man of color."
How is this inflammatory? I tell this to all of the young men I mentor, especially the young men of color.
I said something similar to my wife this morning. I wanted to help go door to door with a petition but thought against it. Young black man, going from house to house in my subdivision could easily be misinterpreted and lead to a run in with the police.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:23 am to Scrowe
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It's really not. That's the problem.
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It really is and you don't understand how percentages work. Whenever you calculate the amount of police officers in the country versus the amount of reports the link you posted reports. There are over 700000 police officers in America, there would have to be 20 incidents daily across the country to even make up 1 percent of the cops in a year. The site you linked doesn't average that. So in the grand scheme of things, it's a few isolated incidents.
He keeps posting that stupid site. It has little to do with any police policy allegations. It mostly lists a bunch of crap that policemen, as individuals, get in trouble for - things like dui, domestic violence, stealing, etc - in other words there are some petty criminals who happen to be policemen - just like there are petty criminals who happen to be lawyers, union leaders, protesters, businessmen, congressmen, etc. etc. etc. It proves that policemen happen to have the same human frailties as the rest of the species.
I have called him out on this before, but he smugly ignores it and continues to play his 'trump' card.
He has nothing - cannot defend his assertions - resorts to empty sloganeering.
But he really thinks he is smart - he may even think he is 'thinking' -
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:34 am to mikelowery1911
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Young black man, going from house to house in my subdivision could easily be misinterpreted and lead to a run in with the police.
REALLY??
How is you hypothetical "young black man" dressed? Is he wearing a hoodie, holding up his pants with his belt at his crotch? If that is the case, I would be suspicious of him myself - just as I would be suspicious of a young white man, a young hispanic, a young asian, a young indian . . .
If your hypothetical "young black man" is wearing a suit and tie, or even is wearing decent casual dress, he will not be treated any differently than a white, hispanic, asian, or indian similarly attired.
If you want to dress like a thug expect to be treated as a thug by those who don't personally know you.
You have no 'right' to expect absolute acceptance other than by how you present yourself.
BTW - I'd feel the same way if a 'door to door petitioner' came to my door dressed like a motorcycle gangster, or a methhead - regardless of color.
You people need to start taking Martin Luther King's advice = Treat a person by the content of his character, not by the color of his skin.'
Present yourself as a thug = be prepared to be treated as a thug.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 8:47 am to ChineseBandit58
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Present yourself as a thug = be prepared to be treated as a thug.
Too many times this is falsely claimed as being racist. I would love to see how people would deal with a white guy in prison attire vs a black guy in prison attire going door to door. It would probably be touted as good judgement when calling the police on the white guy and racist when calling the police on the black guy.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:01 am to mikelowery1911
I have a son of color and thankfully I do not have to have this talk with him.
Why? He is being raised by a mother (me) that will tear his arse up if he acts any kind of a damn fool with me or anybody else. He is taught that to get respect you must give it first. My children don't see color, they see the nature of your character, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Why? He is being raised by a mother (me) that will tear his arse up if he acts any kind of a damn fool with me or anybody else. He is taught that to get respect you must give it first. My children don't see color, they see the nature of your character, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 9:10 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:02 am to mmcgrath
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If your son was black what would you tell him?
The same advice that I gave my white sons.
I'd tell him to work hard, be respectful, dress in moderation, and follow law officers requests as long as it is legal.
If he has a problem, look in the yellow pages. There are more Attorneys listed than any other profession so it should be easy to handle a grievance without losing some skin.
Don't dress and act lack a hoodlum if you don't want to be treated like hoodlum.
This post was edited on 12/22/14 at 9:04 am
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:06 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
this thread needs pics
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:16 am to Cajunchick
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I have a son of color and thankfully I do not have to have this talk with him.
Why? He is being raised by a mother (me) that will tear his arse up if he acts any kind of a damn fool with me or anybody else. He is taught that to get respect you must give it first. My children don't see color, they see the nature of your character, and I wouldn't want it any other way.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:18 am to ChineseBandit58
Going door to door is suspicious in and of itself nowadays if you ask me.
Posted on 12/22/14 at 9:39 am to ChineseBandit58
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How is you hypothetical "young black man" dressed? Is he wearing a hoodie, holding up his pants with his belt at his crotch? If that is the case, I would be suspicious of him myself - just as I would be suspicious of a young white man, a young hispanic, a young asian, a young indian . . . If your hypothetical "young black man" is wearing a suit and tie, or even is wearing decent casual dress, he will not be treated any differently than a white, hispanic, asian, or indian similarly attired. If you want to dress like a thug expect to be treated as a thug by those who don't personally know you. You have no 'right' to expect absolute acceptance other than by how you present yourself.
I have been dressed in slacks and a polo and boat shoes and messenger bag and had the police called on me in a similar situation. The officer actually pulled his gun on me. Scariest moment of my life.
Before you try to stereotype me. Both my parents were cops. My father retired from law enforcement. I grew up with cops of all colors as my parents friends. I am not anti law enforcement.
I am speaking from life experiences. The mayor was 100% right for what he told his son.
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