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re: Need an explanation on homosexuality
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:00 am to redbaron
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:00 am to redbaron
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The government should sponsor
The *Government* was and is...whichever ideas/group holds current power. And that group will always believe that their ideas should be forced upon the Collective populous to the maximum degree in order to promote societal efficiency...because the group in power believes in the superiority/morality/practicality of their ideas.
The 'grand experiment' of Constitutional Freedom in this Nation...was that it let LOCAL groups employ their ideas...and let the consequences of their choices define the success or failure of said ideas.
This whole current "government should sponsor" thing - when the Ideas at the heart of those supposedly sponsored policies are so polarized - is destined for gridlock and ultimate collapse minus some sort of unifying Principle.
The essence of Religion...is that of a merciful God and a redeemable soul - beyond this temporal life, and into a next one. Therein, policy to lend societal charity to individuals which would otherwise be a one-time and hopeless bane upon the survival and prosperity of Humanity...is (IMHO) the ONLY Idea which has power to successfully unite the vast populous. What Idea...takes that one's place? Throw out the Biblical/Religious Concept...and just what grand idea is adopted to unite and rule?
Is societal subsidization and rampant growth of even the most immoral, dangerously anti-social and economically unsustainable groups and individuals as per the current 'social justice' political meme champions...really a good thing...OUTSIDE of the Biblical concept of a redeemable soul?
We've got groups and entire sub-cultures of people who are utterly in another (irrational) Universe...when it comes to even recognizing what morality, truth and real justice is. Just how long does Mother Nature, or God...sustain such misguided foolishness? "Behold, there is a way that SEEMETH RIGHT unto man...but the end thereof is destruction". (Biblical verse)
This will come out in the wash. Always does. Always will.
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:21 am to RCDfan1950
I'm a gay dude. I'm an LSU grad. I'm passionate about LSU football. I like Vegas and fishing and all things Louisiana and I run my own businesses. I'm just a guy.
I have a nephew I'm crazy about. I'd love to adopt but I'd never do it as a single man. I think every kid needs two parents. And I'd insist one of us stays home with the kid because I believe that makes for a better childhood, too.
I'm Libertarian, I've got morals, I'm irrational about LSU baseball, and I pay my taxes. My best friend is a former U of Houston baseball player and he's as conservative as they come. But once he got over "he's gay" he realized that I'm pretty much like him.
And that's what I'd hope the OP would find. A gay guy that's normal, has spiritual beliefs, and values the family. Because that's many of us. Once you get to know a guy like that, you'll realize our sexuality doesn't matter one damn bit.
And we usually know more gay jokes than you.
I have a nephew I'm crazy about. I'd love to adopt but I'd never do it as a single man. I think every kid needs two parents. And I'd insist one of us stays home with the kid because I believe that makes for a better childhood, too.
I'm Libertarian, I've got morals, I'm irrational about LSU baseball, and I pay my taxes. My best friend is a former U of Houston baseball player and he's as conservative as they come. But once he got over "he's gay" he realized that I'm pretty much like him.
And that's what I'd hope the OP would find. A gay guy that's normal, has spiritual beliefs, and values the family. Because that's many of us. Once you get to know a guy like that, you'll realize our sexuality doesn't matter one damn bit.
And we usually know more gay jokes than you.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:22 am to monceaux
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And we usually know more gay jokes than you.
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:24 am to asurob1
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because some old white guy with a beard is threatening us with an existence of damnation. smh
Geez, rob...sometimes you sound as simplistic and naïve as some of the folk you critique. 
Think positive, buddy. Hope that Conscious Intellect is the basis for Matter and Energy and all therein. And we'll all see our lost loves again. Eternally so.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:26 am to AUsome Possum
I don't think simply believing that homosexuality does not align with your belief system makes you a homophobe.
Smoking cigarettes doesn't align with my belief system, but I don't think that makes me a bad person.
I think what makes you a homophobe or what makes you a -ist of some sort is when you take actions or express beliefs that homosexuals should be treated differently (i.e. lesser) than heterosexuals.
Personally, I don't understand homosexuality. I don't understand how a man could derive pleasure from another man. But, if someone else does... good for them. I could care less. That's their life.
If they want to marry, fine, whatever. All marriage is, is a public expression of love.
All these comments that marriage is somehow something more than a public expression of love... well... the 50 percent divorce rate kind of gives the lie to that, doesn't it?
Marriage is to have children? What about people that can't/don't want to have children? What about people who divorce and then use the children as pawns to get back at their ex?
Smoking cigarettes doesn't align with my belief system, but I don't think that makes me a bad person.
I think what makes you a homophobe or what makes you a -ist of some sort is when you take actions or express beliefs that homosexuals should be treated differently (i.e. lesser) than heterosexuals.
Personally, I don't understand homosexuality. I don't understand how a man could derive pleasure from another man. But, if someone else does... good for them. I could care less. That's their life.
If they want to marry, fine, whatever. All marriage is, is a public expression of love.
All these comments that marriage is somehow something more than a public expression of love... well... the 50 percent divorce rate kind of gives the lie to that, doesn't it?
Marriage is to have children? What about people that can't/don't want to have children? What about people who divorce and then use the children as pawns to get back at their ex?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:26 am to monceaux
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I'm a gay dude. I'm an LSU grad. I'm passionate about LSU football. I like Vegas and fishing and all things Louisiana and I run my own businesses. I'm just a guy.
I have a nephew I'm crazy about. I'd love to adopt but I'd never do it as a single man. I think every kid needs two parents. And I'd insist one of us stays home with the kid because I believe that makes for a better childhood, too.
I'm Libertarian, I've got morals, I'm irrational about LSU baseball, and I pay my taxes. My best friend is a former U of Houston baseball player and he's as conservative as they come. But once he got over "he's gay" he realized that I'm pretty much like him.
Clearly a dirty life mired in sin. Only with the help of wise posters like Apex Tiger and Garth Vader can you break free from these shackles.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:30 am to monceaux
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I'm a gay dude. I'm an LSU grad. I'm passionate about LSU football. I like Vegas and fishing and all things Louisiana and I run my own businesses. I'm just a guy. I have a nephew I'm crazy about. I'd love to adopt but I'd never do it as a single man. I think every kid needs two parents. And I'd insist one of us stays home with the kid because I believe that makes for a better childhood, too. I'm Libertarian, I've got morals, I'm irrational about LSU baseball, and I pay my taxes. My best friend is a former U of Houston baseball player and he's as conservative as they come. But once he got over "he's gay" he realized that I'm pretty much like him. And that's what I'd hope the OP would find. A gay guy that's normal, has spiritual beliefs, and values the family. Because that's many of us. Once you get to know a guy like that, you'll realize our sexuality doesn't matter one damn bit. And we usually know more gay jokes than you.
God bless you, mc; you have mine, fwiw. My niece is gay; most rational and honest gal in the community.
Gayness is like Blackness; MLK nailed it...Jesus too. It's all about CHARACTER. Enjoy the season.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:32 am to monceaux
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But once he got over "he's gay" he realized that I'm pretty much like him.
This changes people's perception of homosexuality more than anything. I know it did for me when a childhood friend came out of the closet.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:43 am to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:45 am to AUsome Possum
I would use the word atypical vs unnatural. Not believing someone in our species could be homosexual is short sighted. While for some if not most it's a choice based on numerous situations, to believe all homosexuals choose to be homosexual is ridiculous.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 10:58 am to Tigerlaff
I can't help it if people spend more trying to relate to homosexuals than trying to relate to believers in christ.
I understand some believers give Christianity a bad image.
If the word of God says homosexual behavior is perverted and unnatural then we can't just go against the scriptures just because the world wants to approve of this sin.
Acceptance and approval are not the same thing. Acceptance isn't optional approval is.
The equality talking point at least gets believers to look in the mirror and separate religious views from and to a freedom point of view.
I understand some believers give Christianity a bad image.
If the word of God says homosexual behavior is perverted and unnatural then we can't just go against the scriptures just because the world wants to approve of this sin.
Acceptance and approval are not the same thing. Acceptance isn't optional approval is.
The equality talking point at least gets believers to look in the mirror and separate religious views from and to a freedom point of view.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:04 am to ballscaster
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Exactly why you'd be a fool to vote to allow your government to abridge marriage rights based on the sexes of the engaged. Like you said, it's so much more than that.
The fact that some "progressives" believe homosexual marriage is a God given civil right, while simultaneously believing polygamy is some sick twisted evil, just shows how hypocritical and capricious they really are. Like somebody else said, tolerant as long as you think like I do.
And for the record, I'm against polygamy AND gay marriage. Marriage = 1 man and 1 woman. Sadly, it looks like gay marriage will inevitably become the law of the land sooner than later.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:07 am to RCDfan1950
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My niece is gay; most rational and honest gal in the community. Gayness is like Blackness; MLK nailed it...Jesus too. It's all about CHARACTER.
I agree. I've known some awesome gay people. I just don't think they should be able to marry each other.
Honestly, the way the liberals won this one was by framing the narrative as: if you're against gay marriage, you hate gay people. Which just isn't true!!
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:10 am to ballscaster
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All 50 states ratified an amendment that prohibits a same-sex marriage ban.
Now that is a creative reading of the constitution. Some might say that's complete and utter bullshite.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:17 am to AUsome Possum
Heterosexual couples need to stop making gay babies
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:17 am to AUsome Possum
quote:First mistake.
I live in Alabama
quote:And you are free to believe what you want, Sir.
and my core principles are that homosexuality is wrong
quote:I believe you.
I do not hate anyone
quote:Gays are just individual human beings. They have no collective "way of life".
however I do not agree with the way of life.
I think you have every right to your beliefs. You also must understand that people will try to marginalize you by telling you that your views are informed by hatred or ignorance. I would ask yourself honestly if they are. If so, maybe you want to ponder that and what it means for you. If not I say proceed boldly with your own informed decisions and opinions. With the caveat, that nobody likes a moral scold.
As for gay sex itself,when I was younger I found it sad and pathetic. Two grown men rooting around each other's naughty parts. I still find it sad and pathetic. The only difference is that I now also find heterosexual sex to be kind of sad and pathetic.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:21 am to tigersaint26
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Just pointing out that this is actually a lie.
The actual divorce rate is much lower.
I may not be right, but you are not exactly providing reliable info in those links.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:27 am to tigersaint26
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Just pointing out that this is actually a lie. The actual divorce rate is much lower.
Whatever, his point was that marriage is a joke to a sizeable amount of the population
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:42 am to Darth_Vader
Because the empirical evidence shows that most all gay people are born that way, so it is like saying you are against black people or left handed people.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 11:42 am to ApexTiger
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If the word of God says homosexual behavior is perverted and unnatural then we can't just go against the scriptures just because the world wants to approve of this sin
The Bible also condemns "whoremongers and adulterers", AT; it even further defines these acts as being condemnable if committed as a THOUGHT.
Now that is a high bar indeed; we can just kiss about 99% of TigerNation into hellfire, if we stick to the Law...as opposed to the Spirit (of Christ/salvation). Sex, and the feelings therein, are a formidable power to be reckoned with. I suspect that the Good Book simply points out that sensory feelings - in particular instances - should be rejected as inferior and injurious in regard and advance on to feelings of the Spirit....such as recognition of Truth/Vision, Love, Beauty, Reverence, peace and a general unity and optimism for the Whole Universe...as a creation of Infinite Intellect and Love. By the same token, sexual feelings could be a legitimate vehicle to expand Spiritual feelings. All depends on the way such is employed; like the gift of Life itself.
This stuff is really small potatoes, in the big game; but must be dealt with as a stepping stone or even a stumbling block on the path upward, if one sees it as such.
Merry Christmas, buddy.
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