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re: Need an explanation on homosexuality
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:54 pm to Tigerlaff
Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:54 pm to Tigerlaff
Read some of the posts in here. Some of these people would deny Christians the vote.You expressed this. I would say that would be an infringement.
There are multiple examples of people that have been attacked and even punished for supporting traditional marriage.
There are multiple examples of people that have been attacked and even punished for supporting traditional marriage.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 1:56 pm
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Posted on 12/15/14 at 1:54 pm to monceaux
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If gays are merely 1.6% of the population and 1 in 3 marriages end in divorce (or more), shouldn't the "traditional marriage" Christian be much more concerned by that than by an insignificant part of the population?
Oh snap
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:01 pm to antibarner
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Read some of the posts in here. Some of these people would deny Christians the vote. I would say that would be an infringement.
Yeah, that was me. In a clearly tongue-in-cheek effort to illustrate how mind-bendingly insulting it is to say "I love gay people, I just don't want them getting married."
I guess you didn't read it that way. Take another shot; how will gays getting married cause the government to hamper the free practice of your religion?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:04 pm to ctiger69
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Gay people have the exact same rights that everybody currently has. They can get married too if they choose a spouse of the opposite sex. Most do not choose this. They want the rest of the country to redefine marriage. Gay people want a special right. Marriage has always been between a man/woman since this country was founded. So now they want the tradition of marriage to be changed to include 1.6% of the US population and it should not be.
Seriously?
1) The marriage you speak of is a government construct, which means it can be changed over time. In fact, marriage has always been between two people. This idea that we need to have government ban gay marriage is something new - as evidenced by all the recent (10-20 years) votes in various states to ban gay marriage.
2) There was a time when interracial marriage was not allowed. Is this "traditional"?
3) There was a time where people didn't marry three and four times. Is this "traditional"?
The "right" is the "right" to marry in the eyes of the government. The gender of the two participants in that government-licensed ceremony should not matter.
I have no problem with religions not wanting to marry gay people. But we are not talking about marriage in the religious word.
And what does it matter if it only affects 1.6 percent of the population? Wrong is wrong, and everyone deserves the same rights. If there were only 6 gay people in the country that wanted to get married in the eyes of the government, it should be allowed.
20 years from now, we'll look back at bans on gay marriage the same way today we look back at bans on interracial marriage.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:12 pm to AUsome Possum
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Please explain to me how that is ignorance.
The belief that homosexuality is immoral isn't in and of itself ignorant. However, many of the justifications used to support that belief are a reflection of personal ignorance. For instance, the widely made claim in the 80s and early 90s (and still believed by some today) that only homosexuals or those who have sex with homosexuals can get HIV is ignorant. The belief that homosexuality leads to pedophilia is ignorant. The belief that all homosexuals are promiscuous and hate monogamy is ignorant. And so on and so forth.
So while saying "homosexuality is immoral" isn't inherently ignorant, it is rare that one finds someone who can support that belief apart from ignorant claims about the world around them. The smart move is to just claim you believe it because it's in the Bible/Quran/etc. and move on.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:16 pm to FooManChoo
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What is interesting to me is that those who have a conflicting moral code than your own will condemn you for condemning others' moral codes and say you are uniquely wrong or bad for doing so.
But everyone does this, it isn't unique to a particular moral code or subset of people. It isn't as if those who abhor homosexuality are ready and willing to accept the differing opinion that it is perfectly fine.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:16 pm to LSUFanHouston
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20 years from now, we'll look back at bans on gay marriage the same way today we look back at bans on interracial marriage.
The arguments being made on this board are dead ringers for the arguments made by the state in Loving.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:17 pm to Tigerlaff
It doesn't. What does is the assault on those that oppose it.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:19 pm to antibarner
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I do not believe homosexuality is normal
Well, only a small percentage of people are gay, so that would be fine. Normal or abnormal has no bearing on right or wrong. Some people are very smart. This is abnormal as well.
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indeed for years it was considered a mental disorder until it was cured by politics.
Actually it is probably the other way around. It was incorrectly classified as a mental disorder due to politics.
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I also do not believe homosexuals should be discriminated against, persecuted or denied any right the rest of us have.
Then you believe they should be allowed to marry.
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I also do not believe they should be granted special rights because of sexual preference.
I don't think anyone is advocating this.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:20 pm to antibarner
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It doesn't. What does is the assault on those that oppose it.
Are you aware that the first amendment doesn't protect you from private society calling your faith silly?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:21 pm to AUsome Possum
Dude, this is the same brow beating the liberals try and place on whites for black slavery. Homophobic, Racist etc. etc. Its a guilt trip, they guilt trip kids K-12 and by the time they get them in college away from their parents they proceed to undermine the parents by placing them in peer pressure situations and indoctrinating them.
Here is the real facts.
A perverted homosexual is someone who has set his heart against all that is natural, and against God because he loves evil and has harkened unto a demon spirit.
Any man that's choses to bump butts with another man is a pervert.
Period.
Here is the real facts.
A perverted homosexual is someone who has set his heart against all that is natural, and against God because he loves evil and has harkened unto a demon spirit.
Any man that's choses to bump butts with another man is a pervert.
Period.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:21 pm to ctiger69
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They can get married too if they choose a spouse of the opposite sex. Most do not choose this.
What a disservice this would be, both to the homosexual and the spouse of the opposite sex. Why on earth would you encourage people to live a lie, and even worse feign love and attraction for another, just because you believe their natural attractions are wrong?
Even if you were right homosexuality was immoral, your argument essentially asserts that two wrongs make a right. Moreover, the EXACT same argument was used to support the bans of interracial marriage.
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Gay people want a special right.
No they don't, in states where it is legal heterosexuals are also welcome to marry someone of the same sex. It would be a NEW right for sure, but it would be a new right given to everyone.
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Marriage has always been between a man/woman since this country was founded.
Because the dominant religion in this country is and always has been Christianity, a belief system which forbids such things. Gay unions have existed in various cultures for thousands of years.
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 2:23 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:23 pm to Tigerlaff
Name calling is one thing. Out and out persecution is something else. People have lost their jobs for contributing to traditional marriage causes.
And are you aware that a media assault versus those that express a differing viewpoint would have the left howling like banshees if it were directed at one of their pet causes?
And are you aware that a media assault versus those that express a differing viewpoint would have the left howling like banshees if it were directed at one of their pet causes?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:25 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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Any white man that's choses to bump uglies with a black woman is a pervert. Period.
/SEC Crazy's great grandfather
This post was edited on 12/15/14 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:26 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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Dude, this is the same brow beating the liberals try and place on whites for black slavery. Homophobic, Racist etc. etc. Its a guilt trip, they guilt trip kids K-12 and by the time they get them in college away from their parents they proceed to undermine the parents by placing them in peer pressure situations and indoctrinating them.
How much did you pay for your tin foil hat?
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A perverted homosexual is someone who has set his heart against all that is natural, and against God because he loves evil and has harkened unto a demon spirit.
Yeah, the love I see between gay couples definitely tells me that a demon spirit has taken over.
It is truly ironic that you mention "God" in your post and then go on to say things that promote such hatred and intolerance that, truly, I think you are the one that has a demon spirit. It's hard for me to believe that someone that believes in "God" can have such hatred.
Remember how Jesus was on the side of the persecuted?
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
You one of those idiots who was brainwashed. Any man who advocates for perverts is a pervert himself.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:28 pm to LSUFanHouston
Jesus would be telling them to repent and sin no more.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:29 pm to S.E.C. Crazy
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Dude, this is the same brow beating the liberals try and place on whites for black slavery. Homophobic, Racist etc. etc. Its a guilt trip, they guilt trip kids K-12 and by the time they get them in college away from their parents they proceed to undermine the parents by placing them in peer pressure situations and indoctrinating them.
If the truth is so clear and obvious, how is it so easy to indoctorinate them, especially when parents have the majority of time to influence their beliefs? Or is it possible that there are other reasonable beliefs out there? Sure exteme beliefs one way or the other are usually not reasonable (your posts often reflecting this) but there is some semblance of reason in the more moderate beliefs (even ones I disagree with). It might do you well to try to see that.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:29 pm to antibarner
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Name calling is one thing. Out and out persecution is something else. People have lost their jobs for contributing to traditional marriage causes.
And are you aware that a media assault versus those that express a differing viewpoint would have the left howling like banshees if it were directed at one of their pet causes?
That isn't a violation of your freedom of religion. People just find your views disgusting and don't want to be associated with you.
Posted on 12/15/14 at 2:33 pm to Tigerlaff
I beg to differ. If I fire someone for wearing an "I can't breathe!" T Shirt what do you think would happen?
It is a violation for persecuting me for expressing my viewpoint in a peaceful and lawful manner. If I vote a certain way am I to be punished for that?
Get real.
It is a violation for persecuting me for expressing my viewpoint in a peaceful and lawful manner. If I vote a certain way am I to be punished for that?
Get real.
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