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re: Need an explanation on homosexuality

Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:36 pm to
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:36 pm to
All children are born asexual, nobody is gay, straight, bi, anything when they pop out.
Posted by buckeye_vol
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:39 pm to
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All children are born asexual, nobody is gay, straight, bi, anything when they pop out.


True. I think the problem is that people then take this and say that there can't be any biological components to one's preference, even when there are complex biological changes that we all go through (i.e., puberty).
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 8:40 pm
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 8:54 pm to
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All children are born asexual, nobody is gay, straight, bi, anything when they pop out.



Exactly! So why can people take it as absolute truth that homosexuals are born gay when that's patently absurd!?!
Posted by IdahoTiger
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Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:04 pm to
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quote: All children are born asexual, nobody is gay, straight, bi, anything when they pop out. Exactly! So why can people take it as absolute truth that homosexuals are born gay when that's patently absurd!?!


Ok sorry I forget concepts have to be broken down to an elementary level here. Obviously babies don't pop out of the womb wanting to get it on...I guess a better way to say it is it's not a choice. I understand that it's hard to admit that if you've grown up hearing homosexuality is wrong your whole life, so I don't expect you or anyone else to change your mind overnight. Luckily the culture is changing though.
Posted by NC_Tigah
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:09 pm to
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All children are born asexual, nobody is gay, straight, bi, anything when they pop out.
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So why can people take it as absolute truth that homosexuals are born gay when that's patently absurd!?!
Nothing more than an issue of measurability, IMO.

The vast majority of children are born with similar IQs too. While IQ is an issue of inevitability, it is simply unmeasurable at early stages.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 9:50 pm to
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So why can people take it as absolute truth that homosexuals are born gay when that's patently absurd!?!


People who say they were born gay are just as wrong as people who say they were born straight.

Human sexuality arises as our minds mature through a complex combination of genetics, environment and experience. There are almost certainly many heterosexuals who had the potential to be homosexual given the right circumstances, and many homosexual people who had the potential to be heterosexual. Moreover, sexuality is a spectrum. Very, very few are 100% homosexual or 100% heterosexual, and the vast majority of bisexual individuals still have a preference (meaning they may be 72% attracted to women, 28%% attracted to men).

These nice, neat little boxes we like to place human sexuality in are just simply not rooted in reality. Study after study shows that the overwhelming majority of people have had homosexual AND heterosexual fantasies at some point. Huge portions of those who claim heterosexuality have had homosexual experiences of some kind, and even higher percentages of homosexuals have had heterosexual experiences.

This is also why the comparisons to pedophilia, necrophilia, beastiality, etc. are nothing more than canards. A low percentage of individuals ever experience fantasies involving children or animals, yet the majority of people regardless of claimed orientation have had homosexual fantasies.
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 9:54 pm
Posted by ballscaster
Member since Jun 2013
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Posted on 12/17/14 at 10:16 am to
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Now that is a creative reading of the constitution.
It's a literal reading. "Creative" describes the 1951 Zondervan Corporation's interpretation of the Bible, which introduced to the scripture this board's favorite H-word.

We the people have the right to marry, and we have the right to our government protecting our married rights. We also have the right to due process, and preventing someone from signing a legal document on the basis of sex alone violates that right. I am right and will be proven so sooner or later.

If the issue of two citizens consenting to a legal marriage bothers you, the loser in this case is you and you only.
Posted by AUsome Possum
Member since Dec 2014
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 4:46 am to
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Nowhere in the OP did I try and ask for an explanation in detail about the idea of homosexuality. This entire thread evolved from me asking why someone would misuse the word ignorant when this debate came up. Its literally a defense mechanism that gays and gay supporters/tolerators use to try and belittle straight people. Its honestly confusing to why they use a term that translates to "lack of knowledge to a topic" when everything I stand by morally is justified because I live my life by a certain standard. Not supporting/tolerating homosexuality doesn't make me ignorant.



Anyone care to finally respond to this?
Posted by JoeMoTiger
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Member since Nov 2013
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 7:27 am to
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The issue that the pro-gay marriage crowd on here has is that people will go out of their way to deny others basic rights that they, themselves have, because of their sexuality. They think that gays being married somehow negatively affects their own marriage.



If the LGBT community would've skipped the "marriage" thingy and called it the "Blessed Union" or anything but marriage most of the opposition to homosexuals having a ceremony with all the legal rights of traditional marriage would've been diffused.

When you have a tradition such as marriage that was based primarily in a religious ceremony between man and woman and then introduce anything other than a man and woman you have a lot of opposition due to religious beliefs.

So once again I say, the easiest path would have been for homosexuals to define a ceremony anyway they see fit and call it something other than marriage and no one would have any way to deny them a legal union with all the benefits/protection as marriage and for the most part all this bickering shite would be over by now.
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 7:50 am to
Sure.

The fact that you would say "Not supporting/tolerating homosexuality doesn't make me ignorant" proves you're ignorant,

I nor any other gay person wants your support nor do we want your tolerance. No more than you want my support or tolerance. Everything you say re homosexuality exudes ignorance. if you find that belittling then that's your issue, not mine. We're all ignorant of some things in life. Homosexuality just happens to be the thing you're ignorant of. Whatever "standard" you live your life doesn't affect me in the least nor does your warped view of morality. I don't wonder how you frick your wife, I don't take a second glance if you hold your wife's hand in public, I don't count how many str8 characters are on a tv show,, I don't take a "stand" regarding your life. Yet you seem compelled to do all those things with mine. You certainly won't see me starting a thread about you. Yet here you are questioning me. And I don't give a rats arse about you.

Why do you think that is?
This post was edited on 12/24/14 at 7:52 am
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/24/14 at 7:52 am to
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Where I have a question is that I don't understand why calling someone who doesnt believe in homosexuality or is a homophobic, ignorant.

Well they would at minimum be ignorant on what the word "believe" means
Posted by Vegas Bengal
Member since Feb 2008
26344 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 7:53 am to
Louisiana has a constitutional amendment prohibiting civil unions.
Posted by JoeMoTiger
KC Area
Member since Nov 2013
2677 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 7:55 am to
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Human sexuality arises as our minds mature through a complex combination of genetics, environment and experience. There are almost certainly many heterosexuals who had the potential to be homosexual given the right circumstances, and many homosexual people who had the potential to be heterosexual. Moreover, sexuality is a spectrum. Very, very few are 100% homosexual or 100% heterosexual, and the vast majority of bisexual individuals still have a preference (meaning they may be 72% attracted to women, 28%% attracted to men).


The Dr. is all over this one, just take Mayor Bill De Blasio's wife Chirlane, she was a professed lesbian and even wrote a article in a magazine proclaiming such but then turned on a dime and married a man.

Another thing I've noticed over the course of 35-40 yrs is how the media and pop culture has influenced sexual behavior.
Never saw chicks feeling each other up and kissing when I was growing up in the 70's and 80's unless they were lesbians now it's a given if you go to a party or a bar with the under 40 crowd you'll get a free show once the girls get their drink on and start dancing.
Posted by JoeMoTiger
KC Area
Member since Nov 2013
2677 posts
Posted on 12/24/14 at 8:02 am to
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Louisiana has a constitutional amendment prohibiting civil unions.



That would be an easier fight to change than pushing for marriage between homosexuals, the angle for the LGBT community is to get a legal ceremony that provides all the rights of marriage but is called something other than marriage so the religious argument is null and void.
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