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re: Need an explanation on homosexuality
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:54 am to Lg
Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:54 am to Lg
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And I thought you said you read the Bible many times?
I have no idea what your point is. A homosexual is anyone whose dominant attraction is to the same sex, regardless of whether or not they have homosexual relations.
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Posted on 12/16/14 at 11:54 am to wfeliciana
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Thanks for posting the link.
There is tons of information on this subject out there. I've read where it may be possible to produce genetic offspring of more than two people. Human reproduction in heading into a brave new world
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:06 pm to Roger Klarvin
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regardless of whether or not they have homosexual relations.
James 1: 14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
The reason Christians have such a strong view against homosexuality is we understand that all repented sin will be forgiven of God. All those you listed can be forgiven. It's when a person lives a lifestyle of it and doesn't seem to think there is any reason to repent for it is when they are in judgement of God.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:12 pm to Lg
Where have I stated otherwise? I agree with you.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:47 pm to Lg
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The reason Christians have such a strong view against homosexuality is we understand that all repented sin will be forgiven of God. All those you listed can be forgiven. It's when a person lives a lifestyle of it and doesn't seem to think there is any reason to repent for it is when they are in judgement of God.
Two problems with your presumptuous myopic post:
1. You don't speak for all Christians. In fact, I wouldn't call you a Christian at all.
2. God has NEVER spoken against homosexuality. God has only spoke as Jesus. What a bunch of old Jews made up in their heads thousands of years ago is bunk. No sane person could think those lunatic stories. Like Sodom and Gomorrah, the three people God saved because they were the only Godly people there... Lot and his two daughters who would later have sex... incest is best relatively speaking.
In fact, you're intellectually dishonest because supposedly God said:
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"Whosoever putteth away his wife, and marrieth another, committeth adultery: and whosoever marrieth her that is put away from her husband committeth adultery." (Luke 16:18)
So anyone who has divorced and remarried, in your words, is "a person lives a lifestyle of it and doesn't seem to think there is any reason to repent for it is when they are in judgement of God".
So if you really believe in the Bible, perhaps you should be starting threads telling divorcees, like Revelator, that their lifestyle is against God?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:54 pm to Vegas Bengal
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So if you really believe in the Bible, perhaps you should be starting threads telling divorcees, like Revelator, that their lifestyle is against God?
Why? If Revelator has repented He will be forgiven by God. Not my problem.
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2. God has NEVER spoken against homosexuality. God has only spoke as Jesus.
You might want to rethink that one.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 12:56 pm to Lg
quote:You're being inconsistent. If a divorcee who remarries and then repents is forgiven, and is all good, then why isn't a homosexual who repents?
Why? If Revelator has repented He will be forgiven by God. Not my problem.
In both cases, they are both "living lifestyles" that are considered wrong, according to your interpretation of the Bible. They both repent. Neither changes the circumstances of their relationships.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:00 pm to Hog on the Hill
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A marriage is a contract, it involves legal obligations between two people, and it grants certain legal rights to the two people within the contract. It makes sense for the government to be involved.
Actually, a STATE recognized marriage is a contract. But, yes, I agree with you. My point is, there is no actual need or state recognition.
quote:I wouldn't. I would simply say that if some couple feels highly compelled to codify certain things about their partnership in a formal govt recognized contract that they could do so.
I don't understand what is gained by your suggestion. You just want the government to use a different name for marriage? Why even bother?
Otherwise, if two people say they're married, they are. Period.
Yes. I can already hear your "but but buts" regarding the host of things marriage gives you access too. I submit that those things are all easily dealt with and gets the state out of marriage altogether.
Bottom line. If marriage licenses had never existed, I can think of no compelling reason why we would create them today. In fact, I suspect that if they'd never existed and someone proposed TODAY that after you've identified the person you want to be with, you had to go to the state and pay $35 so they could "recognize" it, that would be a damned tough sell.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:00 pm to Arksulli
quote:Would be just our luck to find Michelle Obama up there running the lunch program
if Heaven doesn't have bacon then I don't want to go.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:01 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Someone who is attracted to the same sex is gay regardless of who they sleep with. You don't stop being gay just because you choose to suppress your desires for moral reasons.
This is false. Nobody is born gay. People are born with sexually attractions examples: gays, pedophiles, beastility, Necrophilia, and many other abnormal sexual attractions. It is your choice to act upon them. Doing and thinking something is two different things. If you think about pushing your coworker off a cliff but never do it this does not make you a murderer.
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suppress your desires for moral reasons.
People do this all the time. This is how they stay out of prison and avoid many crimes. Can you imagine a serial rapist or serial murderer telling a judge they were born this way. They can't help their actions because deep down inside they have an erg and should not suppress it.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:05 pm to ctiger69
I really can't take anything you say seriously, due to the absolute hypocrisy of your user name having 69 in it.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:06 pm to Roger Klarvin
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I'm the kind of doctor that pays an institution four years worth of tuition for the right to learn how to examine your nasty arse diabetic feet, clear out fecal impactions and check your bum for cancer
Let's see. Podiatrist is ruled out. I would say GI doctor but then why would you be seeing a diabetic foot.
I would guess you are Internal Medicine or a General Practice.
Am I right?
This post was edited on 12/16/14 at 1:09 pm
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:09 pm to ctiger69
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nasty arse diabetic feet, clear out fecal impactions and check your bum for cancer
quote:Meh, sounds like an Aggie to me
Let's see. Podiatrist and Ortho are ruled out. I would say GI doctor but then why would you be seeing a dabetic foot.
I would guess you are Internal Medicine or a General Practice.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:11 pm to ctiger69
quote:Scientific evidence notwithstanding?
This is false. Nobody is born gay.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:14 pm to Hog on the Hill
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You're being inconsistent. If a divorcee who remarries and then repents is forgiven, and is all good, then why isn't a homosexual who repents?
How am I being inconsistent? Most homosexuals do not think there is a need to repent for their lifestyle. Ask them?
And I believe this was left out of Vegas's scripture.
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except it be for fornication,
So according to Jesus, unless you marry a virgin, you have every right to divorce.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:17 pm to ctiger69
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This is false. Nobody is born gay. People are born with sexually attractions examples: gays, pedophiles, beastility, Necrophilia, and many other abnormal sexual attractions. It is your choice to act upon them. Doing and thinking something is two different things. If you think about pushing your coworker off a cliff but never do it this does not make you a murderer.
Finally, a voice of reason. Listen, this is a complicated subject, but it can be broken down to something very simple to understand. It's all hormones. Hormones control what we are attracted to, how much, and at which times. Being a homo is simply being hormonally attracted to the same sex, nothing more. Becoming gay is acting upon those feelings.
So to reiterate, being wired to like the same sex on a hormonal level - not a choice.
Acting upon those feelings - absolutely a choice. Granted, the alternate choices suck - i.e. sham marriage, never having sex.
Yay! Now we can coexist! :rainbows
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:23 pm to BigSquirrel
quote:That damn gay hormone
It's all hormones
Is the one that shows up pink in colorimetry?
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:24 pm to BigSquirrel
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Finally, a voice of reason.
If you mean a voice of hatred, piousness, ignorance, and hypocrisy, then I guess ctiger69 is a voice of reason.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:26 pm to NC_Tigah
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That damn gay hormone
Is the one that shows up pink in colorimetry?
No the one in the arse-less leather chaps.
Posted on 12/16/14 at 1:28 pm to BigSquirrel
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Being a homo is simply being hormonally attracted to the same sex, nothing more.
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