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Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:31 pm to LSUwag
People like you need to frick off with your shite. "Muh responsibility" is not an argument in this context.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:34 pm to Zach
quote:I agree, that's BS. He only 'acted like a father' because he believed the child was biologically his own.
The biggest 'F you' by the courts toward men regards DNA. Let's say a man and woman are married for 10 years. They have one child. The man catches the wife cheating and divorces her.
The wife gets custody of the child and the man pays child support. The man has reason to believe the child is not his since his wife is a proven slut. DNA tests show the child is not his. The courts rule he still must pay because he 'acted like a father' for several years and they can't find the real father. That's BS.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:35 pm to Tiguar
quote:Have a civil discussion with reasoned arguments about this or follow your own advice and frick off.
People like you need to frick off with your shite. "Muh responsibility" is not an argument in this context.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:37 pm to Hog on the Hill
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No, the child needs financial support. If you have a kid, the kid is your responsibility.
i don't disagree (i posted before i realized who OP was, a noted troll)
however, since it's about teh child, support should be a set figure and not based on income
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:38 pm to Hog on the Hill
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I agree, that's BS. He only 'acted like a father' because he believed the child was biologically his own.
well the same policy applies
it's about the child, not the parents
and as i said earlier, from the government's POV, it's about the child not being on government assistance
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:49 pm to AnarchySupporter
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Something that I was thinking about the other day and a topic that never comes up political, the rights of men in regards to the birth of a child and child support.
What rights?
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But what about when a man gets a woman pregnant. We all know that the woman gets to hold all the cards since she is the one carrying the child. The woman has abortion, which is her way of being able to get out of the pregnancy if she wants. Men of course have no such protection, even if the woman lied about being on birth control and she isn't (which happens more than we realize) the man is still on the hook for 18 years of child support. He gets no say in the birth of the child.
In this case, what is best for society (forcing men to pay child support, etc.) is arguably not fair to men. It is best for the child though.
Women can abort their responsibility to the child without input from the partner. Men cannot abort their responsibility to the child and are on the hook for child support should the mother demand it. To be fair, either abortion needs to be curtailed or the child support laws need to be altered. That wouldn't be ideal for society or the child though.
I don't support changing the current setup now, but I do think this highlights the hypocrisy of the feminist left. Women seem to hold all of the cards when it comes to reproductive rights. That's one of the reasons I don't respect modern feminists.
The other reasons being that modern feminist don't seem to give a shite about women actually going after male-dominated professions and downplay the challenges of being a mother and wife while having the career they want. In fact they seem to look down women for trying to have everything they want. They are Democrats first, feminists second.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:53 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:I think there's a good argument for limiting support payments at a certain point. They probably shouldn't scale with income and without limit. Child support payments shouldn't subsidize the mother's quality of life beyond the amount that's necessary to support the child.
i don't disagree (i posted before i realized who OP was, a noted troll)
however, since it's about teh child, support should be a set figure and not based on income
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 12:54 pm
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:56 pm to Hog on the Hill
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Child support payments shouldn't subsidize the mother's quality of life beyond the amount that's necessary to support the child.
I agree with that. We could do more to ensure that child support funds actually benefit the child as well IMO.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 2/23/17 at 12:59 pm to AnarchySupporter
I will say that it sure seems men don't get a big enough say in these circumstances.
I get your point about aborting out ofor the situation (pun intended) but it makes you kind of a dead beat.
It's the risk you take when u don't wrap or pull out when with a random stray or a non significant other.
I get your point about aborting out ofor the situation (pun intended) but it makes you kind of a dead beat.
It's the risk you take when u don't wrap or pull out when with a random stray or a non significant other.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 3:39 pm to Tiguar
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That's the discussion. Why is it OK for a woman to make a decision she feels if prudent, yet the man has no recourse other than to beg or bribe?
Because men don't carry and deliver babies. If men were burdened with pregnancy, I'm sure they would be able to terminate them.
Basically your argument boils down to saying it's not fair that men can't get pregnant and then terminate said pregnancy. It's not fair that men have to deal with the natural consequences of their actions and women do not. Boo hoo.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 3:41 pm to SlowFlowPro
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however, since it's about teh child, support should be a set figure and not based on income
Should ability to pay be considered? I'm thinking more in terms of low income dads.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 4:40 pm to CoachChappy
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Women are equal to men unless it's time to move furniture
FIFY
Posted on 2/23/17 at 4:41 pm to GumplandTiger
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Most men won't go fight in the courts because "winning" means the full-time responsibility of parenting.
You're a good man, and I hope your daughter will realize, one day, if she hasn't already, how lucky she is.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 4:50 pm to AnarchySupporter
Family court trails our actual society by a few decades.
Family Court acts like it is 1964 on Bewitched and the mom is home with the kids all day until dad comes home from the office and heads for the liquor cabinet.
Both parents work now and dad is just as involved as mom on the kid stuff these days.
Plus, women are just as likely to be a piece of shite these days as dads as far as feeling paternal responsibility.
I will say that I've been in this situation and was granted sole custody of my kids when that happened. It was 10 years or so ago and I found the process pretty fair.
Family Court acts like it is 1964 on Bewitched and the mom is home with the kids all day until dad comes home from the office and heads for the liquor cabinet.
Both parents work now and dad is just as involved as mom on the kid stuff these days.
Plus, women are just as likely to be a piece of shite these days as dads as far as feeling paternal responsibility.
I will say that I've been in this situation and was granted sole custody of my kids when that happened. It was 10 years or so ago and I found the process pretty fair.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 4:54 pm
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