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Men's rights regarding child support...
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:51 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:51 am
Something that I was thinking about the other day and a topic that never comes up political, the rights of men in regards to the birth of a child and child support.
We all know that in our current political climate women have all the control over divorce proceedings and can essentially "financially rape" a man for all he has. This has developed into men wanting to get married less and less, it's just too much of a risk.
But what about when a man gets a woman pregnant. We all know that the woman gets to hold all the cards since she is the one carrying the child. The woman has abortion, which is her way of being able to get out of the pregnancy if she wants. Men of course have no such protection, even if the woman lied about being on birth control and she isn't (which happens more than we realize) the man is still on the hook for 18 years of child support. He gets no say in the birth of the child.
As women always have abortion as an option to get out of a pregnancy, men should have an option as well. My feeling is this, if a man gets a woman pregnant, he has 3 months (the first trimester) to get out of the pregnancy. He signs a document saying that he has told the woman he does not want a child and that the woman still plans on going through with the pregnancy. In that same document it would also say that the man forfeits all parental rights to the child who will be born.
Agreeing to these 2 terms as well as doing this in the 1 trimester, I believe a man should then be allowed to absolve himself of the child and not have to pay anything in child support. If the man waits too long or after the baby is born, too bad, have to pay child support. If the man decides until after the child is born that he doesn't like being a father, too bad, he has to pay child support. But if he clearly states in the first trimester that he doesn't want the child and is willing to give up all parental rights he would have as a father, then in my opinion that should allow him to get out of paying child support.
What do you all think? What protections do you believe men should have during a pregnancy?
We all know that in our current political climate women have all the control over divorce proceedings and can essentially "financially rape" a man for all he has. This has developed into men wanting to get married less and less, it's just too much of a risk.
But what about when a man gets a woman pregnant. We all know that the woman gets to hold all the cards since she is the one carrying the child. The woman has abortion, which is her way of being able to get out of the pregnancy if she wants. Men of course have no such protection, even if the woman lied about being on birth control and she isn't (which happens more than we realize) the man is still on the hook for 18 years of child support. He gets no say in the birth of the child.
As women always have abortion as an option to get out of a pregnancy, men should have an option as well. My feeling is this, if a man gets a woman pregnant, he has 3 months (the first trimester) to get out of the pregnancy. He signs a document saying that he has told the woman he does not want a child and that the woman still plans on going through with the pregnancy. In that same document it would also say that the man forfeits all parental rights to the child who will be born.
Agreeing to these 2 terms as well as doing this in the 1 trimester, I believe a man should then be allowed to absolve himself of the child and not have to pay anything in child support. If the man waits too long or after the baby is born, too bad, have to pay child support. If the man decides until after the child is born that he doesn't like being a father, too bad, he has to pay child support. But if he clearly states in the first trimester that he doesn't want the child and is willing to give up all parental rights he would have as a father, then in my opinion that should allow him to get out of paying child support.
What do you all think? What protections do you believe men should have during a pregnancy?
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 7:52 am
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Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:54 am to AnarchySupporter
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As women always have abortion as an option to get out of a pregnancy, men should have an option as well. My feeling is this, if a man gets a woman pregnant, he has 3 months (the first trimester) to get out of the pregnancy. He signs a document saying that he has told the woman he does not want a child and that the woman still plans on going through with the pregnancy. In that same document it would also say that the man forfeits all parental rights to the child who will be born.
You ain't the first to think this up. Women are equal to men unless it's time to get paid, then women are weak and need financial support.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:55 am to AnarchySupporter
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the man is still on the hook for 18 years of child support.
You call your child "the hook"?
Congrats on being a giant pussy and you are part of the reason our country is so shitty right now.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:56 am to CoachChappy
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You ain't the first to think this up. Women are equal to men unless it's time to get paid, then women are weak and need financial support.
I'm sure I'm not but I've never seen this solution pushed nationally. It should be, as the system stands now it unilaterally benefits women. Women have abortion as their get out of a jail free card while they can essentially hold the man who got them pregnant hostage.
Both sides should have a get out of jail free card and if not, then abortion needs to be taken away from women. If a man can't get out of a pregnancy, neither should a woman.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:57 am to AnarchySupporter
So have a child by choice through your own actions then walk away Scott free. frick the kid who may want to know their father. Sounds a lot like you're a pos
Posted on 2/23/17 at 7:57 am to MrLarson
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You call your child "the hook"?
Congrats on being a giant pussy and you are part of the reason our country is so shitty right now.
I never said I respected men who tried to get out of raising their children. Don't mistake me, on a personal level I don't. I also don't respect women who simply use a child to get more money from the government and to hold a man hostage for child support for 18 years, especially when a lot of that money won't even be spent on the child.
What I'm saying is if women get to have a get out of jail free card regarding pregnancy, men should have the same opportunity.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:01 am to AnarchySupporter
You all aren't getting this, I never said I would do this. This is not personal, it's not meant to be personal.
This is about the law. We all know that sometimes what is legal and what is moral are not the same thing. But the fact is in the law women have an advantage over men regarding right during pregnancy. My solution allows men to have equal rights to a woman regarding pregnancy. It's not about what a man should or shouldn't do, it's about true equality with women. Is that a bad thing?
This is about the law. We all know that sometimes what is legal and what is moral are not the same thing. But the fact is in the law women have an advantage over men regarding right during pregnancy. My solution allows men to have equal rights to a woman regarding pregnancy. It's not about what a man should or shouldn't do, it's about true equality with women. Is that a bad thing?
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:01 am to AnarchySupporter
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What protections do you believe men should have during a pregnancy?
None?
Men are protectors and providers. I don't need some BS law to instruct me to do my god given duty.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:03 am to AnarchySupporter
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even if the woman lied about being on birth control and she isn't (which happens more than we realize)
You must also understand that women can lie about pregnancy and avoid telling the father until birth. Restricting this hypothetical law to deciding in the first trimester will not work the way you intended.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:03 am to AnarchySupporter
There seems to be a misunderstanding here here of what custody and child support laws actually are. In Louisiana and most states they're pretty even-handed.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:10 am to LSU2a
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You must also understand that women can lie about pregnancy and avoid telling the father until birth. Restricting this hypothetical law to deciding in the first trimester will not work the way you intended.
My solution is a rough draft, it's definitely not perfect. Under this scenario where the woman doesn't tell the man until after the child is born I believe an additional aspect would need to be added. To answer your scenario I would give the man 3 months to decide if he wants to have any parental involvement or not. It would be the same length of time as the first trimester. If during that time the man legally decides he wants nothing to do with the child then he would not be on the hook for any child support payments.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:11 am to AnarchySupporter
Anybody who says this crap is simply looking for the easy way out. The man "gets the say" when he decides to have unprotected sex. If you don't want the responsibility of a kid, jack off or get bjs.
My fiancé got pregnant and had a child. We split after my daughter was born. I went to court and got primary custody of my daughter, so her mom pays me child support. No, her mom was not on drugs or anything. The court felt I was a more stable atmosphere for the child, I live in a better school district, and I own a house. She's now 6 and she's been with me since she was 9 months old, but she goes to her mom's every other weekend.
This all happened in "conservative" Alabama. Men who say the woman gets the kid and everything else are simply pre-programmed that way and rarely fight for their parental rights. Society seems to think the man never gets the child, it's just not the case. Most men won't go fight in the courts because "winning" means the full-time responsibility of parenting.
My fiancé got pregnant and had a child. We split after my daughter was born. I went to court and got primary custody of my daughter, so her mom pays me child support. No, her mom was not on drugs or anything. The court felt I was a more stable atmosphere for the child, I live in a better school district, and I own a house. She's now 6 and she's been with me since she was 9 months old, but she goes to her mom's every other weekend.
This all happened in "conservative" Alabama. Men who say the woman gets the kid and everything else are simply pre-programmed that way and rarely fight for their parental rights. Society seems to think the man never gets the child, it's just not the case. Most men won't go fight in the courts because "winning" means the full-time responsibility of parenting.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:16 am to GumplandTiger
So Gumpland you believe a man has no right to get out of a pregnancy. Do you believe the same for women? I assume you want abortion completely abolished correct? If not then your statement is hypocritical, allowing one standard for men and one standard for women.
I mean you could say the same thing for women, don't want the responsibility of a kid, don't have sex. Yet I don't see you advocating for that.
It's not about morals or what's right or wrong, it's about equality in the eyes of the law. Currently there is not that equality.
I mean you could say the same thing for women, don't want the responsibility of a kid, don't have sex. Yet I don't see you advocating for that.
It's not about morals or what's right or wrong, it's about equality in the eyes of the law. Currently there is not that equality.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 8:16 am
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:17 am to AnarchySupporter
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men should have an option as well.
Its called condoms or pulling out. In life there are consequences to one's action and you should prepare yourself if that's the step you take.
Also, there currently is precedent for absolving one's legal right, but you'd better have a damn good argument.
Our current system is flawed and ridiculously outdated one with way more rights given to women than they deserve sometimes. Sadly though it will never change b/c there is entirely too much money in it for lawyers to continue to rake hard working men across the coals. If it's one thing some of the European countries get right its divorce proceedings.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:24 am to AnarchySupporter
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As women always have abortion as an option to get out of a pregnancy, men should have an option as well. My feeling is this, if a man gets a woman pregnant, he has 3 months (the first trimester) to get out of the pregnancy. He signs a document saying that he has told the woman he does not want a child and that the woman still plans on going through with the pregnancy. In that same document it would also say that the man forfeits all parental rights to the child who will be born.
My hope is that we can abolish abortion, and I'd prefer we not go down this path before we get there. However, if abortion is going to be legal, then this should be an option for unsuspecting dads. The problem that comes up here is that women will simply hide the pregnancy from men for the first 3 months. A better policy would be "up to 3 months after finding out about the pregnancy/child." That would protect men from the obvious workaround women will use.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:27 am to MrLarson
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MrLarson
What a douche.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:30 am to AnarchySupporter
quote:I don't think you have to worry about this LINK LINK LINK
We all know that in our current political climate women have all the control over divorce proceedings and can essentially "financially rape" a man for all he has. This has developed into men wanting to get married less and less, it's just too much of a risk.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:31 am to imjustafatkid
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A better policy would be "up to 3 months after finding out about the pregnancy/child." That would protect men from the obvious workaround women will use.
This proposition and the premise of this thread only creates more shitty children and broken homes. This in turn leads to a more shitty country. This is the reason we have so many problems as a nation right now is FAMILY has been shite on and replaced with FEELS.
If you want to have an abortion then go for it. But if that child is brought in to this world then do the right thing and raise it. Even god damned animals understand that.
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:36 am to AnarchySupporter
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But what about when a man gets a woman pregnant. We all know that the woman gets to hold all the cards since she is the one carrying the child. The woman has abortion, which is her way of being able to get out of the pregnancy if she wants. Men of course have no such protection,
male BC is coming, sir. can't wait
that's going to be such a game changer
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My feeling is this, if a man gets a woman pregnant, he has 3 months (the first trimester) to get out of the pregnancy. He signs a document saying that he has told the woman he does not want a child and that the woman still plans on going through with the pregnancy. In that same document it would also say that the man forfeits all parental rights to the child who will be born.
this will not work because of one reason: Medicaid
government has mandated that if a parent can provide insurance for a child to avoid the child being on Medicaid, it will force that person to put the child on insurance. this isn't always the father but often is.
this argument gets really complex as a general rule b/c of the maternal relationship to very young babies as well. i actually have wondered how persuasive an argument would be regarding the rising status of women in the workforce since these archaic rules were created a long time ago. same as community property laws (that, in LA, literally trace back to fricking Rome)
Posted on 2/23/17 at 8:37 am to AnarchySupporter
A simpler solution would be to not make a child if you don't want to take responsibility for it. The laws are formulated not to benefit the woman so much as to take care of the only truly blameless party in these situations, the child.
Abortion isn't a get out of jail free card. It is based upon the right of a woman to do what she wishes with her own body. Whether we disagree or not with that principle, that is what it is based upon. It is not based upon the nonexistent right to skirt responsibility for one's own actions.
And yes, custody laws are fair in most states despite the rumblings you hear on the internet. The unfortunate truth behind the statistics of women winning custody more isn't unfair courts or laws, but rather is because the fathers usually don't want custody and do not fight for it in most cases.
Abortion isn't a get out of jail free card. It is based upon the right of a woman to do what she wishes with her own body. Whether we disagree or not with that principle, that is what it is based upon. It is not based upon the nonexistent right to skirt responsibility for one's own actions.
And yes, custody laws are fair in most states despite the rumblings you hear on the internet. The unfortunate truth behind the statistics of women winning custody more isn't unfair courts or laws, but rather is because the fathers usually don't want custody and do not fight for it in most cases.
This post was edited on 2/23/17 at 8:44 am
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