re: Mega church Pastor resigns, apologizes to LGBT Mafia

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The premise that that’s what I mean is why I don’t engage with people asking for clarification.

Either you know what I’m talking about and are sea-lioning/sandbagging/trolling/etc., or you’re confused about something, and it isn’t my job to un-confuse you.

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You can think what you want, but again, the point of discussion is to communicate ideas to one another. If there is a lack of clarity, the discussion isn't going to go anywhere. If you suspect someone is trolling, that's one thing, but if they are seriously wanting to understand, I don't see why begrudgingly providing clarification is a bad thing.

ETA: and it saves more time to have one post clarifying than several more having a separate discussion about the issue of clarity.

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Because I don’t respect you

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you don't know the first thing about me. for all you know, i could be one of your friends.

so you won't respond on substance because you think you don't respect someone you can't possibly know anything personal about. well, that makes sense.

Again and again in the Bible the prophets and apostles are depicted as men whose message and delivery is so unbelievably offensive to society around them that they are frequently beaten, arrested, jailed, stoned and martyred. Any pastor that goes out of their way to cater to worldliness and seem respectable to mainstream society is probably doing it wrong and should be met with skepticism.

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you don't know the first thing about me.

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we're not talking about love. We're talking about gay sex.

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by bfniii

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Eh the old testament God (flood the earth to kill all sinners) seems a ton different than the new testament God (give my only son up as a sacrifice for forgiveness of all the new sinners that showed up after I flooded the place) Seems like if it is the same guy he had a change of heart at some point, quit wiping out entire populations and brought in a new option other than turn em to salt then burn their eternal spirit in hellfire.

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Pretty much the first major heresy-two gods, one who created the cruel, harsh unfeeling natural material world and one who sent Jesus to fix everything. Marcion.

It's pretty much the main reason why the Creeds emphasize "One God", not to defend Christianity from false accusations of pantheism regarding the Trinity, but to quench the Marcionite wildfire with summaries of the Church's core beliefs and what she taught.

Celibacy was a primary tenet of his cult (because the material world and our flesh were created evil by the bad god). You would have thought Marcion's heresy have had few takers on those terms.

Interestingly many heresies embrace some version of the lie that Christianity is only about ethereal spiritual matters and not the total restoration and healing of the created order as well as our spirits, our souls, and our physical bodies. Heresies like these make a mockery of the Faith and denigrate the Incarnation.

It's sad to see these ancient heresies plaguing the Church and confusing so many people.

The very thing he used to cash in on the Word of God is what undid him, chastity.

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If you claim to be a Christian and celebrate sexual deviancy of any type or play fast and loose with the Bible, then hell yes I’m going to judge you

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St. Paul could've hardly said it better.

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I wrote to you in my epistle not to keep company with sexually immoral people.

Yet I certainly did not mean with the sexually immoral people of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world.

But now I have written to you not to keep company with anyone named a brother, who is sexually immoral, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner—not even to eat with such a person.

For what have I to do with judging those also who are outside? Do you not judge those who are inside? But those who are outside God judges.

Therefore “put away from yourselves the evil person.”

1 Corinthians 5:9-14

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Comply or die is not a legitimate choice. That's the point I'm making, how can you call something free will when you are given only one true legitimate option. Sorry I don't see follow me or go to hell as an actual choice and therefore making any free will moot. When the idea of free will is pointless then it might as well not exist.

I'm of the belief that freedom of the will is not a biblical concept, but that freedom of volition is.

We do not go to Hell for rejecting God. We go to Hell because we're judged by our representative Adam and we compound our judgement with our own sins, of which is the rejection of God.

Hell is the default. There is no gun pointed to anyone's head. We all desire to reject God's authority and to raise ourselves up as gods. We all would rather go to Hell than submit to Christ's Lordship through faith. It takes a new nature being planted in us by God before we will want to desire Him. Sin is what we want. Hell is what we deserve. We freely choose to sin and rebel because that's what we naturally desire.

Repent and put your trust in Jesus Christ to be reconciled to God. He is the only way.